Chanlie Leavitt 00:00:00  You can do whatever you want to do. You have one life. Don’t waste your time like you just don’t know how long you have. Don’t waste your time doing something that you’re miserable doing.

Katy Ripp 00:00:15  Hey there, fellow rebels, welcome to hashtag. Actually I can the podcast where we say a hearty hell yes to designing life on our own terms. I’m Katy Ripp, a lifestyle coach, business mentor, and serial entrepreneur here to guide you through the wild ride, defining what society expects of us and embracing our authenticity. On this show, we dive deep into taboo topics like death, money, spirituality, entrepreneurship, unapologetic self-care, and personal development, all while swearing and laughing along the way. Expect down and dirty conversations, plenty of humor, and a whole lot of exploration, leaving you feeling empowered to be your truest self. Whether you’re craving a good laugh, seeking unconventional self-care tips, or simply looking for some camaraderie. You’ve come to the right place. We only get this one short life, so buckle up and let’s design yours on our own terms.

Katy Ripp 00:01:08  Ready to dive in? Let’s go. Okay, well, I read your story over the weekend, and I’m fascinated by it, partly because, well, first of all, I literally just had a teacher reach out to me, and she just listened to EMS, you know, she left her teaching job for some reason. I’m surrounded by teachers leaving, teaching jobs to do shit. I don’t know why, and nurses, teachers and nurses. So I just had an interview with Nina Caviggalio. I think that’s how you say her last name. She left her nursing job and now she’s a crazy, huge influencer. And then, like, I know other people that were nurses and have left their job to go and be a creative and a bunch of teachers. So like my general manager at Crossroads and Creekside was a special education teacher and was basically getting hit at work every day. And I was like, well, I can’t promise you a ton of money, but I won’t hit you. And then like a number of other people.

Katy Ripp 00:02:12  And so one of my friends is like a professional organizer, and she started her own business a couple years ago, but she left her teaching job. So, like, there’s this exodus of amazing teachers out there, which. Ding ding ding. We should really be, like paying attention to all of these teachers leaving to go and pursue something that either is going to double their income or is like the environment is so toxic and so bad, they’re willing to take a huge risk to leave. I think there’s some like major lessons in here. And then your comment, the other teachers feeling stuck, right? Like how many teachers do you know that are just like, don’t have an entrepreneurial mind, what else are they going to do? Right. Like it’s kind of like those. Well, I think they call them golden handcuffs in the corporate world. I think they they’re just handcuffs in the education world. Yeah, I like the handcuffs. Oh, yeah. Like your 401 K and your benefits and all of these, your summers off and all of these things.

Katy Ripp 00:03:15  So I’m fascinated by your story, and I’d love to hear the way you wrote it out was amazing, but I’d love for you to, like, just start. Plus, you got married at, like, 21 and 20. That’s crazy.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:03:26  Yeah. I mean, yes, you hit the nail right on the head with like, the mass exodus. I think I was like part of that big wave. And I think it’s still happening with teachers. It was post-pandemic, like, I think the environment and a lot of schools, from what I hear, just nationwide, got significantly worse, to the point where teachers were like, I’m at my breaking point. I need to do something different, right? So yeah, I was part of that wave.

Katy Ripp 00:03:51  Yeah. Thank God that people decided to do something else productive rather than like I’m stuck. I don’t know what to do and take a mental health checkout, right? Permanent solution to a temporary problem kind of thing. Because I’m guessing there’s some of that.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:04:08  Yeah. And I mean, I think of like my graduating class of college and I think half or more than half have left teaching already, and it’s only been several years, you know, so it’s oh yeah, it’s crazy. Yeah. So jumping right in I guess my background. So yeah, my husband and I got married so young. So I was it was a week after my 20th birthday and he was 21. So yeah, we were just babies. And looking back I’m like, who let us get married that early? But it’s kind of the norm here in Utah. So yeah, we were both raised Mormon. So we got married super young and then ended up leaving the church a few years later. So that was a whole big story. Interesting.

Katy Ripp 00:04:51  Yeah. Both of you left the church, I think. Oh wow. That’s a story. So that number itself I’m guessing.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:04:58  Totally. Oh yeah. And I’m totally open to talking about it now. But while we were kind of going through it was pretty tricky.

Katy Ripp 00:05:04  But yeah I mean we’re in Wisconsin. So this is like Catholic capital of the world, right? Which, you know, has its own flair to it, I guess. So, yeah, that’s fascinating to me because I know I and I don’t know much about the Mormon church, to be honest. I know enough, you know, about what I’ve read and what I’ve heard and what I’ve seen, I guess. And I know that’s not all true, right? Like we can take or leave a lot of that, but leaving any religion or having questions about religion is I especially, you know, grew up in a family with that kind of belief system. Could not have been easy. How old were you when you left?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:05:41  I think I was 22, so.

Katy Ripp 00:05:44  Oh, okay. So shortly after you got married?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:05:46  Yeah. Being like, born and raised in Utah is kind of a unique bubble where the majority of people, or it feels like the majority of people you interact with are also of the same belief system.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:05:58  So it’s kind of like this little bubble of everyone believes the same way and things like that, and then it influences cultural norms, like I was saying. So a lot of people get married early or encouraged to start a family right away if you can. So yeah, and I think I mentioned the whole faith transition because I think it kind of influenced my decision to then open my mind about other possibilities with career stuff, because, I mean, my paradigm was shifted with that whole transition and I’m like, oh, there’s a new way I could be thinking about things, which just kind of blew open the door for me to think about other possibilities and different areas of life.

Katy Ripp 00:06:36  So wait, is podcasting because of that?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:06:40  Yeah, because of a whole different range of shifts and beliefs that kind of, throughout my story, have tied back into what I’ve heard and listened to on podcasts. So yeah, it’s all kind of you love it and interconnected for me.

Katy Ripp 00:06:54  So yeah. Tell me about the shift from Mormon to do you have another faith based religion or I.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:07:04  Wouldn’t say like an organized religion now, but I would say I like to believe that there’s a higher power of some kind, but I’m open to anything now that I like. I was so set on one way of thinking my whole life now I’m like, well, oh, it could be this, or I’m open to something else. Just open to it all. Oh, how fascinating.

Katy Ripp 00:07:23  And your husband was on board. Like, that’s always, you know, like it’s one thing to do something for yourself, right? But like a whole nother shift when you’re bringing somebody along or they’re taking you along or you’re going together. Yeah.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:07:38  Yeah. I think what I’ve seen in friends and just other people, it’s such a common thing for couples to separate because of that difference in belief and yeah. During that time, I was really grateful that we kind of were able to explore things together. And it was hard, even like we were both open to exploring things together. But there’s just that unraveling of belief that your belief can be different on certain things than the other person at different times.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:08:05  Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:08:05  So yeah, that’s a lot. I mean, that is fascinating, but it must have played into so many other things in your life so far. It is so important, right? Like when you change your belief system into something that like I mean, I would imagine some people like change your belief system, which closes their mind, right? As they get older, they, you know, their minds closed further and further and become a little bit more tunneled. But like, it’s almost like yours opened up, right?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:08:33  Yeah. I’m grateful to have had that experience in like expanding to now I’m like, oh, I don’t want to ever, like definitively say, this is my belief because I just am now open to everything, which I think has been such a blessing in the long run, because now I’m. I want to hear everyone’s perspective because I might not know what they know. So yeah. So it’s been awesome to have. Yeah, it really has been a gift to experience, especially early in my life, to where I’m now like, oh, I want to learn more, and I want to hear more about all different types of perspectives.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:09:06  So which you yeah, actually.

Katy Ripp 00:09:09  Like physically do hear more of everybody’s yes perspectives. That’s literally what you do.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:09:15  Yeah. That’s why I, I just I have the coolest job because I get to hear people’s stories all day. So yeah that’s awesome.

Katy Ripp 00:09:22  That’s really cool. So yeah about the teaching.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:09:25  So yes, in my early 20s, a little before I got married, I had to decide like what I wanted to go into in school. So I had always loved school. Growing up, I was like the textbook teacher’s pet. Like school always came really easy. It was such a fun place. So I had always kind of maybe been interested in teaching. And so of course, like when you’re deciding what you want to do, you choose something that’s like within your realm of possibility. And at that time, when I was early in school, I didn’t know anyone that was like an entrepreneur, let alone in the online space. Like, that was like, I didn’t even know people did that for a living or how to do that or anything like that.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:10:08  So, right.

Katy Ripp 00:10:08  Like I, I think we kind of think of that as like a out there or possibility or for somebody else.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:10:15  Right. Like I had heard of people doing things like social media management or something and thought, oh, that’s cool that they can kind of do their own thing, work from home, have flexibility, things like that. But yeah, it was for someone else. And yeah, so yeah, I chose something that was within my realm of possibility, which teaching is obviously a pretty common profession. So I’ll sounded interesting. So chose that. And I honestly loved my time in the education program. I learned so much, made some awesome friends and like I don’t regret it at all. I like I got to have some awesome experiences just getting to learn about child development and how to teach. And my husband and I got to go to China to teach English and wouldn’t have done that if I wasn’t like pursuing teaching. So a lot of really great things came out of going into teaching.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:11:02  So definitely don’t regret that. But I finished my student teaching kind of right in the middle of Covid times. And then after pandemic started, my first year of teaching.

Katy Ripp 00:11:14  Oh, interesting. Okay. Which is hard to believe. It’s going to be freaking five years, right? Coming up, I know what it feels like week.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:11:24  Oh, I know, so I was super excited to get my first teaching job. I ended up working at the same school I soon taught at, and I soon taught in second grade. And I got a job teaching third grade. So I got to move up with some of the same kids that I had taught that year before. So, so excited about that. And like the summer before going into teaching, I like spent so many hours in my classroom prepping and doing all the things, and in my mind, I was the type of person that I’m like, I will be a teacher forever. Like, I was setting up my classroom in a way that like, I’m going to be here for 30 years.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:12:02  I need all the supplies I need. I have like this awesome classroom library. I had purchased books and had books donated and things like that, gathering all the things. And yeah, I was pretty convinced I was going to be to win it a lifer. Yeah. So school started in August, so I was teaching at a title one school, which means there was a higher percentage of lower income families that we were serving. So a lot of the students in my class had just like really challenging home lives. And of course, you hear about a lot of it. The kids will tell you. And so you kind of know what’s going on. And for a title one school, I had a pretty large class. I had about 30 kids in my class.

Katy Ripp 00:12:43  Which 33rd graders?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:12:46  Yes.

Katy Ripp 00:12:47  Oh my God, yeah. This is why people are leaving and teaching.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:12:53  Yeah, I think it would have been a little bit more manageable with ten less even.

Katy Ripp 00:12:58  But yeah, 30 kids had a pretty 30 kids of gifted kids a lot.

Katy Ripp 00:13:03  Right. But they throw in like troubled home life or whatever. Keep going.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:13:09  So I had about 30 kids and like I said there, they had just really a lot of them sad situations at home. And then I mean kids are kids right. They behave a certain way because they need something. They’re not getting a need met. Of course I believe kids don’t do anything like maliciously. They’re not trying to be crazy or make things hard for you, but they would bring a lot of that just trauma and not getting their needs met and things to school. And so I had just so many crazy Behaviors. And I mean, I had, like you mentioned, with your friend, that was a special ed teacher. Like I would, yeah, get hit like chairs thrown, like just all sorts of crazy, crazy things happening to the point where it was like by October I was burnt out. I’d only been like a few months. And I remember, like, taking the first fall break, I think it was in October.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:14:02  So and I’m like, oh my gosh, I have how many months left of the school year? Like I don’t, how am I going to make it? I mean, I got to the point where I had always been through school and just previous jobs had always been like, I never called in sick, like, you know, just push through if I was feeling under the weather, whatnot. But I got to the point where I was like, it was hard to get out of bed in the morning because I would wake up knowing the chaos that the day would bring, which was kind of my first red flag of like, oh, something’s not right here. Like, this doesn’t feel good to me to not be able to wage a.

Katy Ripp 00:14:38  Place to be right, because it just like it can circle, like in this kind of vicious cycle of like feeling bad that you don’t like, you’re not getting up. And you should be able to do this because other people are doing it and your coworkers are doing it and, you know, whatever.

Katy Ripp 00:14:55  And then it gets into this, like cycle of feeling bad and possibly doing other things to, like, make yourself feel better, which people can go in lots of directions that way. So yeah, that’s a dangerous place to be.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:15:09  Yeah, totally. I would get home from school and like, I have always been like an active person. I love to run and and things. And I would get home at 4 or 5, six and just want to go straight to bed, like, so overstimulated from the day. And I think that’s pretty common if you have a great class or yeah, a challenging class with teachers. But yeah, so I just did not feel like myself. And your first year of teaching. They usually say it’s hard no matter what. So I’m like, okay, it’s probably just my first year anyway, so made it through the fall and then January. I’m still just feeling so burnt out. So I started to kind of ask other teachers that were in my building or from around the area or online, just kind of their experience with teaching and teachers at different stages of their careers, right? New teachers, veteran teachers.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:16:04  And the more I talk to other teachers, realize that there was like a pattern of they would say something along the lines of the system isn’t built to support teachers. And from what I was seeing, it wasn’t really built to support students either. Like, I would just.

Katy Ripp 00:16:20  Teach you this in college, but yeah, seeing you to go to.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:16:24  Right. Yeah. Like I would just fill this poll, like I said, with all my students who had just challenging situations like they needed so much more than to be taught math and reading, like they needed some social skill development, and they needed so much. More than one teacher can give 30 students at a time, and so just needed more support. And I like had this realization of like, the system is not supporting teachers and it’s not supporting students. And from what I hear, like teachers kind of went one of two ways. They either just accepted that the system is broken and just try to make do. So they would either sacrifice their own personal boundaries, like staying long hours to get all their stuff done, or spend their own money, or they either didn’t meet all the expectations.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:17:16  And me, as a classic Type-A personality, I’m like, well, I don’t want to not meet expectations. So yeah, I was burnt out. Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:17:26  I mean, you think to yourself too, like when you were saying that, you know, they’re sacrificing their boundaries, but also, don’t you see so often they’re sacrificing their health, right? Like so many teachers are putting all of their well, I mean, literally lives on the line. And then also like giving so much for very little return or a very like I’m sure it’s rewarding at some points, but I’m sure that the rewards are fewer and farther apart than they used to be. And just like then, they’re never putting themselves first, right? Like they’re putting their family first and then they’re putting their students first, and then maybe they get to go next. And yeah, it’s just it’s so hard to watch. Yeah.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:18:09  I became kind of almost like when I started to notice the pattern, I became like almost bitter about it.

Katy Ripp 00:18:16  Like, yeah.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:18:17  The teachers that were awesome and work on top of things and doing well, they would get more work and get delegated more responsibility, like they become a team lead or over the PTA or whatever it was like, because they were awesome. And I also noticed. I mean, there’s a reason why most teachers are women. Like women will put up with like not being appreciated and compensated, I think a lot more than men would. And there’s a reason why teachers are still underpaid and overworked, because they do it for the love of the students, right?

Katy Ripp 00:18:53  Yeah. And it’s hard not to realize that that’s not enough. And you get punished for saying it’s not enough, right? Right. Like, all of a sudden teachers are also persecuted because they’re like, well, shouldn’t it just be rewarding enough to teach the students, excuse me? Like, since when do we have to feel like we are like the only ones that can do that or give up our entire lives for it?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:19:20  Right.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:19:21  And then I started to look at like, there’d be like, funny memes, like just comparing teachers to other jobs of like, okay, this is your job, okay? But now you need to provide all the resources to do your job and work extra hours to be able to do all of the things. And it’s just crazy, right? So it was early spring, like January ish. I started to listen to podcasts of teachers who were leaving, teaching and exploring other career opportunities. And I should have mentioned earlier, but just throughout before this time period, I loved podcasts, started to just listen to podcasts throughout like my faith transition early. Oh, interesting. I had listened to podcasts to help me through different seasons of life and like I said, just opened my eyes to different possibilities and different perspectives and so started to do the same within teaching and hearing stories of other teachers who had left teaching. And there was a podcast that was a teacher career coach that would talk to teachers and interview them about different things that they did with their education, about teaching.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:20:28  So. Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:20:29  So you, when do you like to listen to podcasts?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:20:33  Obviously, all day at work. I listen to my client’s podcast.

Katy Ripp 00:20:36  But, yeah.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:20:37  I’ll listen on a walk, so I go, I take my dog on a walk every morning. So definitely then sometimes while I run doing housework, I mean, I am a podcast junkie. I still even like listening to them all day for work. I still listen before and after work like I love them. So okay, driving.

Katy Ripp 00:20:55  I’m always like wonder. I always wonder what where people listen to them because like, I listen to them when I walk or in the car. Yeah, I’m not really gotten in, like listening to them when I’m at home, you know, like with headphones on or whatever, like, well, let’s be real, I don’t do housework, so I don’t need to do that for you. I know. Right. But like occasionally if I’m mowing the lawn or something like that, I will listen.

Katy Ripp 00:21:18  But I’m just always curious, like, where are people listening? Like, are they running or are they, you know, like, what are they doing when they’re listening? And it’s such an interactive active sport pastime. I don’t know exactly what it’s called, but like, it’s such an interactive thing. Like you can do a bunch of things. It’s not like you have to just sit here or like reading a book. You don’t just have to like, sit and read. I’m always find it fascinating to hear and especially like a podcast producer, like, why would you ever listen to another podcast? Because you’re listening all the time, but you’re a true junkie, I love it.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:21:51  Yeah, I totally am. That’s why I’m like, I am in the perfect career for myself, I think because I love them before and still love them. So yeah. So like I said, just started listening to the podcasts, hearing different teachers stories. I came across this podcast about a course creator that helped people get into freelancing.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:22:12  So my eyes were open to like the world of online business and freelancing. And like I mentioned earlier, I had no idea that this world even existed or like that. Someone could get into it, not having a background in business. I never knew it was a possibility for myself and just started to hear different stories. And some of them were even teachers who transition from teaching into freelancing and doing all kinds of different things. So sort of just to learn about that. And it was March of that same school year that I was having such crazy anxiety, like, could hardly get out of bed. And I never in previous jobs or anything had never been the type to like, call in sick. But this one day I’m like, I’m staying home today. So I called in sick and I remember just in the morning I had just so overstimulated as a teacher, I like walk into my living room and sit down on the couch and was just like staring at the wall. And it was like an epiphany that I realized I can either stay in the system and try to fight it and make it work for me, or try to fight and change it, or I can leave.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:23:20  And it was like an epiphany. In one moment I’m like, I’m gonna leave. I’m not gonna go back next year. And at that point, I didn’t know what exactly I was going to do the next year, not returning to teaching. But I just knew, like my health was not the same. I think I was sick that year, like with a cold from like October to April. Like I was a type to never get sick before. And I’m like, this is not feeling right. So yeah, just one day I like made the decision. I am not going back next year. And so that March, I started my business. I enrolled in a course from that podcast host that I listened to and started learning about freelancing and made the goal that if I could replace my teaching income, that I would not go back the next year, you know? So I started working like early mornings before going to school, would start work at like five and then go to school at 830 or whatever time, and then work after school to, to build my business.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:24:22  and I ended up getting some awesome clients. Like, I think it was like that, just deciding, like, this is the direction I’m going to go that like opened the door for like, yeah, things to come in.

Katy Ripp 00:24:33  When you start to make room, it just like all of a sudden, I know. I love that so much.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:24:39  I didn’t know what was going to come, but I knew, like, this is the direction I’m going in and it’s going to work if I just keep taking steps in this direction. So it was totally perfect. The clients that I was able to connect with initially because like I said, I had no experience in the online space, but the people I ended up working with were just some really awesome women in business that were able to, like, mentor me and just let me have so many different experiences doing all different parts of their business, just learning about different things. I was doing admin work and customer service and virtual assistant type work, and then also some creative elements like writing blog posts and and then eventually doing back end of podcast production.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:25:25  So I ended up getting to learn how to do some of the back end of podcast production. And all of a sudden it clicked for me. I’m like, oh my gosh. First of all, I loved listening to podcasts and have been so connected with some of the podcast hosts that I have listened to and have been so transformative for me. And then I’ve ended up hiring some of these people that I’ve listened to because of the relationship that I’ve developed with these podcast hosts, and then working in the back end of some of my clients podcasts, got to see how their podcast was such an asset for their business and client attraction and visibility and content creation and all the things. So it just clicked and I’m like, this is the direction I want to go in. But that took several months of just trying a bunch of different things and not really being totally clear on where I was going, which was scary because I had made the decision to leave teaching and had to tell, like my admin, that I wasn’t coming back.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:26:26  And people would ask like, what are you going to do?

Katy Ripp 00:26:29  What are you going to do? What can you possibly do?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:26:34  Yeah, and like my friends and family, they were obviously supportive, but I’m sure they were like, well, you just went to school for four years for teaching and now you’re going to do what, like. So that was kind of scary. I mean, I didn’t like announce it to the world for a while after because I’m like, it does sound kind of crazy. Like, I told everyone I was going to be a teacher and now I’m not anymore. So yeah, it was definitely scary. But like I said, like, I decided I was going in this direction and didn’t really know where it was going to go and have been like just so pleasantly surprised on what has come my way. Like, I’ve just been able to connect with so many awesome people that I would never have been able to meet, like you and my other clients, who I just get to learn so much from.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:27:21  I would have never been exposed to these different perspectives and possibilities if I hadn’t decided to do something different.

Katy Ripp 00:27:29  So yeah. Do you think that that day in March when you called in sick, do you think that that was really like the precipice, like, this is it?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:27:37  I’m going I think so like it was just I think for so long I had been so busy just doing, doing, doing like, I mean, through school, I had several jobs, like I would just work and go to school and all the things. And then during teaching, you’re obviously so busy with all the expectations that you can’t keep up with it. I had never, like, truly taken a second to sit down and think, like, is this a direction I really want to go and really ask myself and give myself the space to feel what direction was right for me. And I think leaving the church several years before was also kind of, like I mentioned, opened my eyes to, oh, I can think differently.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:28:21  I can change my mind about things. So yeah, but I think it was I’ve.

Katy Ripp 00:28:24  Had the experience of doing it once already, like, and the world did not. You know, the floor did not fall out from underneath you. I’m sure it wasn’t comfortable, but like nobody died because you made a decision for yourself. And, you know, we get into our heads about like all this fear of, like what might happen if I like, what is the admin going to think of me if I don’t come back to school? I’m so lucky to have this job, right? Like we’ve been told that all of our lives, like you’re kind of stuck and sort of like the question, well, what’s the worst that can happen? Right? Like, what is the worst that can happen after this? Well, what’s the best that could happen? So tell me about that. Tell me about like, your day in the life, like compared to your days in teaching, what are your days look like now?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:29:13  I love that question because I vividly remember during teaching, anyone that’s a teacher knows, like your days as a teacher.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:29:21  You’re so overstimulated, like you have a million kids. Like I would hear Mrs. Leavitt, Mrs. Leavitt, like all day. Like you’re so, so overstimulated. I remember telling one of my teachers on my team, like, I am just dreaming about having a job where I can work at home and not talk to anyone unless I want to, and work when I want, and be able to go to the bathroom when I want to. So I remember, like before I started building my business while I was teaching, like having this vision of doing exactly what I’m doing now and what I’ve been thinking like, oh, it makes me emotional because I remember envisioning what I’m doing now and not even knowing what I was going to be doing. Like I said, didn’t know anything about online business, but just took a step in this direction and have now created what was only a vision before. And now I’m like, I get to do this every day. Like I seriously have to pinch myself. Like I mean, teaching my days were like, you wake up, you’re at school by 8:00 or so, and then school starts at nine, and then you have a full day of teaching, and then school gets over at like 330.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:30:34  And then I would usually say to prep until like 6 or 7, you know, just until you can get all our stuff done.

Katy Ripp 00:30:40  Oh my god. Yeah.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:30:42  So it was just a long, long day and Monday through Friday. Right. And then so it ended up being like, I mean, 40 to sometimes 50 hours a week if you were staying late or hours. And now I like have just been so appreciative this summer of like, I’m finally at a place with my business that I’m, I just have the most amazing clients, and I get to wake up and take my dog on a walk. And if I sleep in a little bit, that’s okay. And I get to be at home and have so much more work life balance than when I was gone all day, and not being able to take care of things at home, or run to the doctor when I need to, or whatever it may.

Katy Ripp 00:31:23  Go to the bathroom.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:31:25  Yeah, or go to the bathroom. Yeah, when you need to.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:31:28  But yeah. So get to do client episodes. It doesn’t feel like work. It feels like I just get to hear these awesome stories and get to connect with people and learn all sorts of different perspectives.

Katy Ripp 00:31:40  So you get to be the first. You get to be the first to hear, like all the raw, you know, nitty gritty, the back end stuff. I would always be so nosy if I were you. You know, you’ve been in a and I’m quite a bit older than you, but so, you know, of course I went to 12 years of school and then I worked in a college and I worked in the school again. And so it took me until I was like 25 to be out of the school, like day, you know, the 7:30 a.m. m to 4:00 pm. That’s what your day looks like. And so as I got older and, you know, into jobs that were a little bit more flexible or whatever, I always like struggled with that. It feels like the day starts at 730 and it feels like it should be over at four.

Katy Ripp 00:32:28  But what I realized is that I really can’t do anything after noon, right? Like I’m just my creative juices are gone. I really just don’t have the bandwidth from 12 to 3. But I would always feel so guilty because I’d have that 12 to 3. Like, I don’t have energy to do something, but I feel like I should be doing something because I still have my day until 3 or 330. And now I have children, right? Like I’ve had kids in school for ten years. So I’m back in this like school rotation. So when I went out on my own, I struggled with the schedule. Has that been hard for you to like? I mean, at first it was probably like, well, this is really romantic. I can take my dog for a walk whenever I want, I can do whatever I want, but like I also realize there’s a lot of hours to fill in a day when you’re not wasting half of it. And I don’t mean to say that like teachers are wasting time.

Katy Ripp 00:33:22  That’s not what I mean. But there’s like a lot of chit chat and a lot of like, you know, transitioning from room to room or, you know, just like that weird kind of different time than you have when you’re self-employed, right? Like there’s just a lot eight hours is a lot of hours in a day to work straight through if you’re at home. Right. Have you been able to, like, break that up? Do you need the break? Have you been creative with your schedule or do you what’s that look like for you?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:33:49  Yeah, I will say like it’s a whole different type of problem. Like you said, when you’re working at a normal 9 to 5 or something like that, like you’re there from this time to this time. So there’s no like, should I work this time or should I work this time? Like, you’re just there. So it’s been like a different type of problem, which it’s the best kind of problem to have.

Katy Ripp 00:34:12  But I always say, like people say, well, that’s a good problem to have.

Katy Ripp 00:34:16  I’m like, well, good problems need solutions too. They all need all problems need solutions. It doesn’t matter if they’re good or bad. So yeah.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:34:24  So like my problem was I can either tend to work too much and like not set the boundary of like I need to start this time and end this time. I can just work into the night if I like, get going, you know, or the other end of like of course client work will always get done, but then it’s like, if I need to work on this for my business, it can get done whenever, right? So I don’t feel like doing it today. So I live and die by my Google calendar. So I like to set things up in my calendar of like, this is when I’m going to work, and this is when I’m not going to work, because I think both has been challenging, especially when you work from home and you can work whenever you want to, you can work whenever you want to, and you can not work whenever you want to.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:35:07  So it’s like.

Katy Ripp 00:35:08  That. Freedom is tricky because if you’re not a self-starter, which you diagnosed yourself as type A earlier. But I am not a Type-A personality, so like I have a really hard time. If you give me a deadline, I’m getting it done right before the deadline, right? Like there’s really the fact that I am three episodes ahead right now is fascinating. I mean, like, there’s just like, I don’t understand how I’m here. Like, this is not me. I would be like, oh, Sunday night, you need my next one by the next day. Like, this is huge for me. This is called growth. That’s maturity. But yeah, there’s something to be said about like setting your schedule or having, you know, you get into that zone. And then I think that’s a really good thing. But it can get overwhelming. And when it’s your own business, it’s kind of this, like if you don’t live in an abundance mindset, you’re terrified you’re never going to get another job.

Katy Ripp 00:36:09  And so you can’t, you know, like you have to continue to do more and more and more. One of the points you said before was like, you don’t work on your business, you’re working in your business. And this is like one of the things that I run into, client into, with clients all the time is I have all these things that I need to do for my business or on my business, but I’m working in it all the time that I don’t have time to do that. Right. Like the social media, you know, the marketing, the selling for yourself, the admin work, the bookkeeping, all of the things that like a it can wait until April 14th right before you have to have your taxes done. How much of that has been an issue for you?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:36:53  I would say I will, definitely, especially the summer. Like you mentioned, there are certain things like social media or different things that it’s easy to not do them if they don’t have to be done right away.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:37:05  So like, social media has one of those things where this summer I’m like, I want to spend less time working on my business. And so that’s one of the things that I haven’t done a ton with lately. So I will say it’s like been kind of tricky for me to find the balance of like, oh, I could be doing all of these things. And if I did all the things that were in my brain, I would be working all the time. So it’s definitely finding the balance and like appreciating the time spent not working and counting that as also good and productive. Because if I could like if I let myself, I would work myself to hell. I was burnt out and then hate it. So I’ve had to like, embrace both sides of like it’s okay to maybe be able to do this thing, but choose not to for a time in order to. Like the summer. Social media has been on the back burner so I could yeah, do summer activities which have also been healthy for me in the long run.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:38:05  So definitely it’s a balancing act and it’s still something I’m learning.

Katy Ripp 00:38:09  So I think it’s like laundry. It’ll never, ever be done. I think you’re just like are always struggling with and I don’t know if I’d call it a struggle, but like it’s just always a challenge to be like, well, I could be producing more, right? Like the production part of our lives as women sometimes is just so like, if you’re not producing, then why aren’t you cleaning? Why aren’t you doing laundry? Or why aren’t you gardening? Or why aren’t you making a Pinterest craft? Or right, like, we try to fill our times with all this stuff because we feel like we should be producing something all the time. And one of the things you said before about like being so busy you don’t even know what’s hurting kind of. I was literally, I just had a podcast interview, which you’re going to love right before this, and we were literally talking about giving ourselves enough space. And when you have the space, then you’re all of a sudden you’re like, oh shit.

Katy Ripp 00:39:09  Like looking around like, oh shit. Like, I didn’t even know this was going on. And sometimes, like using being busy or do like filling all your time is just like a coping mechanism so you don’t feel what it feels like to like, oh, like you staring at the wall and being like, nope, this is not for me. Like you didn’t even give yourself. I mean, you didn’t have the chance to even ask yourself that until March. That’s crazy. And some people go their whole lives doing that, right? Like they keep themselves so busy and their kids so busy. It’s like the new find, right? Like, how are you? Busy, but fine. So it’s like this constant sort of coping mechanism of as long as we keep ourselves busy, we don’t have time to listen to the, you know, like intuitive things that come into our brain all the time. That’s right.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:40:01  And I still live like five minutes from the school that I taught at. And I think it’s crazy that I will still drive by once in a while and still see some of the same teachers that I worked with, cars parked there, and they’re the same people that I would talk to that would be just as burnt out and just as sad and all the things that I was, and they’re in that same situation of like they are doing, doing, doing.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:40:28  And they haven’t taken a second to like think of if they could do something different. But I know because I’ve talked to them, I know they’re just as miserable as I was. And like, it’s just crazy to me like to think about where I was and thinking of like doing another year of the same thing. I was like, no, I’m not doing it. And to think of like, maybe I could still be in that same situation and like, yeah, it’s crazy to me, and I’m just grateful that I had the opportunity to look and decide and have the space to do something different.

Katy Ripp 00:41:03  I mean, yes, you had the opportunity, but you gave it to yourself. I mean, nobody said you can leave. Nobody said you can’t. You don’t have to work anymore. Nobody said. I mean, correct me if I’m wrong, but it doesn’t sound like anybody said anything to give you the opportunity. You just said, I’m not doing this anymore. It’s not what I want, so I’m doing something else.

Katy Ripp 00:41:26  I mean, talk about living authentically. And just like this is what I’m doing, I. I’m, like, taking care of myself first. You didn’t owe anybody anything. I think we also get into that as teachers or caregivers or nurses or, you know, those sort of nurturing jobs. The no other job is worthy, right? Like you don’t bring as much value like you did with that job, right? Like you were teaching the youth of America, like, am I going to be able to provide value in podcast production, which, by the way, you are.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:42:01  Thank you.

Katy Ripp 00:42:03  Like do you think that there’s some of that like we’re how people like kind of stay stuck there. Maybe they call them rainbow handcuffs then or like fuzzy handcuffs.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:42:13  Yeah. Oh, totally. I remember like when I was in school to be a teacher and talking to other teachers. And they warned me they’re like, don’t go into teaching like some teachers that were like, real about it. And before I started teaching, I’m like, well, they’re cynical, like they must just not like teaching.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:42:32  And then going into it, I realized, oh, like, they have a point in, like, you have a job to support your life. And if it’s not supporting your life, like find something different, like you don’t just work to work. And I mean, I remember thinking when those teachers told me like, don’t go into teaching. I remember thinking, well, that’s the most worthwhile thing I could be doing with my time. Like teaching kids. Like, I can’t think of a better way to spend my life. Here’s your.

Katy Ripp 00:43:03  Fuzzy handcuffs.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:43:04  Yeah, a job is a job. Like you have a job to make money. So, yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:43:09  I am in the business of trying to get people to do what actually aligns with their values, right? Like whether that means, you know, doing something as a hobby or changing careers or starting a business or whatever that is. That’s what I kind of think my mission is. But I don’t look at it like a job, right? Like it’s how I make a living.

Katy Ripp 00:43:31  Like I also own other businesses, and that’s how I make a living. But I basically have bought myself a life that I get to do whatever I want with, because that’s how I want to live. I just don’t like nobody’s can cuffing you to a job. They are just jobs. It’s when you get into jobs like ours where we get to inspire somebody else or like send a message to somebody else that they can do it and that it might not be exactly what you think it is, but it’s way better than, like, dreaming about it your whole life. And then sometimes you get into a job, like teaching, where you’ve been dreaming about it your whole life, and then you’re like, oh shit, this is not what I thought it was going to be. And I’ve talked to other entrepreneurs. They get into a business and they’re like, I thought I was just going to like, talk to people in a store. I didn’t know that I was going to have to do all this other stuff.

Katy Ripp 00:44:29  And then they realized, nope, I’m better suited to work for somebody else. That’s fine. Just like own you are. Yeah, yeah.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:44:38  What I’ve loved about the guests that you’ve interviewed and just your message and what you do is like, it’s right up my alley of, like, you can do whatever you want to do. You have one life. Don’t waste your time like you don’t know your episode with Lynn. That was so touching to me because it was like, you just don’t know how long you have and don’t waste your time doing something that you’re miserable doing.

Katy Ripp 00:45:04  Yeah, and it’s not serving anybody. Right. Like if it’s misaligned with your values, a you’re going to be unhealthy, like physically or mentally. You’re going to break down at some point because it’s just not aligned. And then on top of that, like, who are you serving by doing, like doing something that you don’t want to do forever, like you’re not doing anybody any favors. And if we’ve ever seen anything like everybody’s replaceable.

Katy Ripp 00:45:32  I mean, I don’t love to say that out loud, but like, at your job, if you left, somebody will come in and take your place. They might not do it as great as you did, or they might do it better, or they might stay for two months and be like, fuck this, this is horrible, like you did or whatever, but staying at a job because it’s a job like doesn’t make any sense. And I know that sounds very entitled of me. Like, well, I have to make money. I have to pay bills. Well, so do I. And so do you write like most of the time, when we’re in jobs that actually align with our values, we make quadruple the money of what we were in. Tell me about the money. Like are you making more money than you were teaching?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:46:15  I was able to make more than I was teaching by the summer time. Like by the end of when I was leaving my teaching job, which is like, it’s crazy.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:46:22  And it’s sad because teachers are going to school and have so much education and are doing such good work, and they’re just not making any money. And it’s sad because a lot of the teachers I worked with wouldn’t have been able to support themselves. They had to have their partners income to like they wouldn’t have been able to support themselves. And you don’t have time to get another job if you’re teaching all day like it’s. So yeah, I was able to replace my teaching income, which is how I felt like confident and comfortable and like, I don’t know exactly what this is gonna look like long term still, but I am at least like replacing my income.

Katy Ripp 00:46:57  So wait, from like the time you decided in January ish to, like, take the course until the end of the year, you had already replaced your income.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:47:05  So yeah, like March was when I started. And then you get paid as a teacher through the end of summer. So it was like to August, probably March to August.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:47:13  So yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:47:15  So you worked half the time for the same amount of money. I mean.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:47:19  I was able to monthly income get to that point where I was able to have the same coming in month to month.

Katy Ripp 00:47:25  Yeah, yeah. And now like going forward still like more and more and more.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:47:33  Yeah. I mean, I still work less than I did as a teacher. Like like I said, I would work full days 8 to 6, seven sometimes like so 40, 50 hours a week And then and now I’m working probably 30 to 40 depending on or if I want to do more a week, but totally flexible and like and I get to make more and I’m like, I just can’t imagine still doing the same hours that I was as a teacher, right? And barely scraping by. It just makes me sad because then I know a lot of teachers do spend a lot of their own money on their classrooms.

Katy Ripp 00:48:08  But the cool thing about, like almost everybody I’ve interviewed that’s in their own business and a lot of my clients, we all have hangups about money, right? Like it’s one of the things that going forward, you’re probably going to hear a whole lot of money talk because I’m like obsessed with women and money right now.

Katy Ripp 00:48:26  But as capable, whole, resourceful, smart women, we have to make money. It’s our responsibility to make money so we can support other people, right? Like we can support other women. And the more money we make, the more we can do that. Like, I’m a giver. I’m super generous with my money. I’m super generous with my time. I can also like, give back in other ways, but like, I want to make money so I can do what I want with it, right? Like. And if that means for me buying ten teachers a classroom full of library books, that’s what I get to do with it. But I can’t do that if I don’t make a good amount of money. Right? Like I get to choose what I want to do with that money. So while you may not be teaching children because the system is broken and you’re better off doing this, you could go out and make a buttload of money and then go and buy a classroom full of books or yeah, donate $50,000.

Katy Ripp 00:49:28  A teacher can take a sabbatical. Or I mean, like, you can do anything. And so I think that there’s like a misconception about money and women. And we just have like all these money stories and all this like old baggage and limiting beliefs that were like, well, I don’t need to make that much money. Well, yes you do. Actually. It’s your responsibility if you have the ability to make that money to go out and make it so you can give it. Oh, I.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:49:51  Love that perspective. That’s awesome.

Katy Ripp 00:49:53  It’s our responsibility.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:49:55  Yeah, that’s not mine.

Katy Ripp 00:49:56  I don’t remember where I read it, but I’d love to take it, but I can’t. I just want to ask you about like podcasting. I get a lot of people that are like, oh, I’d love to start a podcast. What does that look like and what do you do? But I also have people here that are like, I want to leave my teaching job, but I want to start a podcast, right? Like, can I make money at that? I think that’s probably one of the most googled podcast question is like, how do you make money on a podcast? And I think I’ve told you this, or maybe you told me this, I can’t remember.

Katy Ripp 00:50:29  But like I use my podcast as a business expense for my coaching, right? Like this is a way for me to market my business. So people, if they like what I have to say, will come and buy coaching sessions for me or buy a program or, you know, whatever. It’s also just because I like to hear myself talk, like answer the some of those like, frequently asked podcast questions.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:50:52  Yeah. So your first one, I remember talking to you about this the first time we talked is can I make money from my podcast? And what I always say is like, there’s two arms of podcast monetization. So there’s either your podcast can be used to get more clients and make more money in your business, or get more course purchases, or however you make money in your business to funnel more clients or customers that way. Or you can monetize it from sponsorships. So you can do definitely do both. But what I always suggest and what we’ve talked about is using your podcast to help market your business and become a visibility tool for yourself and your business.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:51:31  So what I commonly work with most clients on is creating a podcast that attracts your ideal clients to listen. So I just finished creating a guide called the Purposeful Podcast Playbook, which helps you create a podcast that is not just what everyone else is doing, but it’s uniquely you. So you can really attract people that relate and resonate with you and want to work with you and want to hear more about what you have to say. So definitely, I would say I’d recommend starting a podcast with the goal of using it to support your business first, and then focusing on getting sponsors down the road if you’d like, because often it takes a while to build that listenership, which you can monetize for a larger amount of money. So the monetization will take a minute to grow. So you can do that in addition to using a podcast to support your business, but you can start supporting your business with a podcast from episode one.

Katy Ripp 00:52:27  Yeah, it’s shocking to me how many like I go out and look at the analytics all the time.

Katy Ripp 00:52:31  They mean nothing to me. By the way. I don’t really know except that I’m like, oh, this seems like a good number. But yeah, the amount of people that are like, oh, I listened to your podcast yesterday are just like, you know, people I run into, like around around. Right. That’s a, you know, conversation for another day, probably if somebody wanted to get started, like, what does it cost to get a podcast started?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:52:51  Yeah. So I customize all my packages. So if you only want certain parts of support with starting a podcast, I’m totally happy to customize and work with as little or as much support as you need. But my packages for launch start at around 1500 and then can go up depending on what kind of assets you want. And if you’re wanting support, managing guests and things like that for your podcast. So it definitely ranges on like if you want to be pretty hands off with your podcast, and I have some clients who just want to show up and record once a quarter, and they don’t want to deal with the back and forth of managing guests and editing and creating assets and scheduling and all the things like that.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:53:34  And then I have some that want to be more hands on and want to reach out to their own guests and do their own assets and things like that. So like I said, it’s definitely a range on how much support you want, but it’s definitely I would say I’ve seen more success on people with creating successful podcasts long term when they have just some support because it’s, oh, like, you know, even sitting down to record can be a part time job, right? Just making sure you’re prepared for the interviews and then having to turn around and.

Katy Ripp 00:54:04  Having to learn, you know, you’d have to learn a whole new program and then it’s got to be good. It’s we need to pay people to do the things that we’re not good at, period. Like, and then.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:54:16  It frees up, it frees up your brain and time to be able to have your conversations and be as awesome as you are as a host without having to worry about all the backend stuff. So.

Katy Ripp 00:54:26  Right, like, how long is this going to take me? Now I have to listen to this whole thing and I have to edit.

Katy Ripp 00:54:30  And I mean, what you give me is like complete peace of mind. I just like record like this. I send you a link and then all of a sudden, magically, I’ve got carousels and reels and video. I mean, just like you have no idea. It’s the only reason that this has been. I just sent my email out today and I put like the number ten above my podcast episode, and I’m like, how did I even get to ten episodes? This is crazy. So it’s very exciting and I never thought I’d really be here either. Right. Like I thought, oh, it might be fun to do a podcast, but I just know myself that, like, I’m not detail oriented enough to, like, do the actual production of it, but I love to have the conversations. So are money well spent? Charlie.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:55:13  Thank you. Well, I have loved working with you. Oh, seriously been so great.

Katy Ripp 00:55:18  I just like, I don’t know, I love your story, I really do.

Katy Ripp 00:55:22  I think that you are. I mean, I’m how do you find like I found you through Instagram. Is that how people are finding you? Instagram.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:55:31  I mean a lot of them have come through referrals. So like I said, it’s just been really cool to see the clients that contact me because I’m like, I’m so interested in what you have to say. Can I listen to your podcast anyways? Like, yes. So yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:55:45  Yeah. The the greatest thing about having faith in the universe or faith in anything, I think, is I just assume that I’m going to get the most amazing clients and I do. Right. Like, I think I’ve paid my dues in the other ways in my life that, like, I don’t have to worry about getting shitty clients like the ones that I would say no to just don’t even show up for me. And I’m like, cool. I don’t have to say no. It’s probably the same thing that’s happening for you, right? Like you just gave yourself enough space to allow the universe to drop in exactly what you were looking for.

Katy Ripp 00:56:19  I call it like flipping my magnet right where two magnets are, like they repel each other, and then all of a sudden you just flip one over and you’re like, oh, all I had to do was flip this over. Weird. Hahahahaha.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:56:31  Yes, exactly.

Katy Ripp 00:56:33  Yeah, it seems easy. Not so much all the time.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:56:36  Day to day. It’s definitely a practice.

Katy Ripp 00:56:38  Yeah. I want you to give everybody a platform. So, like, where can we find you? All the good things.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:56:45  You can find me on paradigm podcasting.com or Paradigm Podcasting on Insta, LinkedIn or Facebook. I think they’re all the same paradigm. Podcasting.

Katy Ripp 00:56:56  Yeah. What kind of podcasts do you love to do the most? I mean, I’m sure you’re open to a lot, but what are your favorite? Like, do you specialize in health and wellness or specialize in anything?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:57:07  I have been kind of deciding, like throughout my building my business, deciding if I want to niche down. And I’m just honestly loving doing a range of things.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:57:16  Like I said, I just happen to be connected with clients who are their expert, of course, in their field. And I learned so much so from like dietitians to life and business coaches to dog trainers. Oh yeah. Just everything. So I’m open to working with anyone and everyone who has a message that they would like to share.

Katy Ripp 00:57:36  How about your favorite podcasts?

Chanlie Leavitt 00:57:40  I love Armchair Expert is one of my favorites.

Katy Ripp 00:57:44  Yeah, we always have the.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:57:45  Funniest stories on that. Oh, there’s too many. I’ve been listening to some good podcasts by Wondery lately. They have, like, documentary type podcasts. There was an interesting one that I just finished called hysterical. there’s too many that I could tell you about, I love podcasts.

Katy Ripp 00:58:01  I love it, I love it. Awesome. What was amazing meeting with you, I just like I love all of our conversations. So thank you for doing such an amazing job on my podcast and also for being here. This will probably not be the last time we have you on.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:58:16  Well thank you. Yeah, it’s weird to be on this side of the microphone because I learned so much about you. And like my other clients, it’s like a parasocial relationship. I know your life story.

Katy Ripp 00:58:27  But you don’t know me, No, I know, and I think that’s the coolest thing about this platform in particular, is it just allows people to, like, tell their story. So I just think that that’s the coolest thing about this. And of course, people are like, well, there’s a podcast for everything these days. Yeah there is. There’s also 8 billion people in the world. I think we’re fine.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:58:47  Well, and what I say is like, no one’s you write like your story in the way you are going to tell it, and the questions you are going to ask to the guests are going to be different than what they would share on someone else’s podcast.

Katy Ripp 00:59:00  You can listen to more than one. Yeah, like there’s plenty for everybody. It’s fine. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Charlie.

Katy Ripp 00:59:07  I really appreciate it.

Chanlie Leavitt 00:59:09  I appreciate you, you are just a joy to work with. And I’m getting just to chat with you today. Thank you so much.

Katy Ripp 00:59:17  And that’s a wrap on today’s episode. I hope you enjoyed diving deep into the world of living authentically with me. Before you go, don’t forget to connect with me on Instagram. Shoot me a message at Katy Ripp. I’d love to hear your thoughts on today’s episode and connect with you further. And remember, if you want more details on today’s episode, or just want to explore more about designing your life unapologetically, head on over to my website at KatyRipp.com. There you’ll find all the juicy details and resources you need to keep the inspiration flowing. Lastly, if you’d like to join me on the show, whether it’s to tell about your experience of designing your own life, to share your expertise, or if you’d like to participate in lifestyle coaching live on air, don’t hesitate to reach out. Your story could inspire countless others on their own path to living authentically.

Katy Ripp 01:00:03  Thanks for tuning in. Until next time, keep living boldly designing your life. And remember #ActuallyICan.