Shawn Carlin 00:00:00  The problem is never the problem. I’d argue there are no problems. Now that might sound like very pollyannaish, but there’s only circumstance. It’s the meaning we give or the perspective that we give that creates the problem or the suffering or whatever you want to call it. And so if you just understand that what happens, happens. And it couldn’t have been any other way because it didn’t.

Katy Ripp 00:00:27  Hey there fellow rebels. Welcome to #ActuallyICan, the podcast where we say a hearty hell yes to designing life on our own terms. I’m Katy Ripp, a lifestyle coach, business mentor, and serial entrepreneur here to guide you through the wild ride, defining what society expects of us and embracing our authenticity. On this show, we dive deep into taboo topics like death, money, spirituality, entrepreneurship, unapologetic self-care, and personal development, all while swearing and laughing along the way. expect down and dirty conversations, plenty of humor, and a whole lot of exploration, leaving you feeling empowered to be your truest self.

Katy Ripp 00:01:06  Whether you’re craving a good laugh, seeking unconventional self-care tips, or simply looking for some camaraderie. You’ve come to the right place. We only get this one short life, so buckle up and let’s design yours on our own terms. Ready to dive in? Let’s go.

Shawn Carlin 00:01:28  Hey!

Katy Ripp 00:01:29  I’m so excited to have you here. I have some questions, but, like, this is really just meant to be like, #Actually, I can, like, we can live our life outside of the norms, societal norms, all the things that people put on us, the pressures, all of that. And you have certainly taken that road. So I really do want to hear your story, like you said. I mean, I have to hear the narrow part.

Shawn Carlin 00:01:53  Oh, did I put that in my oh my God, did I put that in like an asterisks or like a parenthesis?

Katy Ripp 00:01:58  Parentheses. No, you just.

Katy Ripp 00:01:59  Said this makes for a good story. Which it does. What the fuck?

Shawn Carlin 00:02:05  Yeah, yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:02:06  I saw your hair.

Shawn Carlin 00:02:07  No, thank God, it like, the smell is so god awful that, like, so, you know, it made it to my hands. And I was like, oh, what?

Katy Ripp 00:02:16  Oh, wow. Wow. Yes. Like, that went like to a whole new level.

Shawn Carlin 00:02:22  It was literally like a discovery across my condo of all the little treasures that were left. Quite amazing.

Katy Ripp 00:02:29  Quite an experience. Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:02:30  The energy that people put into stuff like that. Oh, I just refuse to do that. Right? Like I just don’t have enough energy to go around to do shit like that. But man, people do.

Shawn Carlin 00:02:40  You know, and I was coming from a good place, like like I literally left because I said, I’ll give you space because, you know, we were living in Denver and I’m like, you know, she said her mom was coming down. And I said, well, hey, I’ll leave for work. And I, you know, booked a trip.

Shawn Carlin 00:02:56  And no, actually I literally I stayed in a hotel across town as I worked and just to be respectful and come back to that.

Katy Ripp 00:03:03  But so no good deed goes unpunished.

Katy Ripp 00:03:06  Shawn, remind me to you played for the UW, is that right?

Katy Ripp 00:03:10  Yeah, I did for.

Katy Ripp 00:03:11  All four years. Five years? Four years?

Shawn Carlin 00:03:13  No, I was so kind of a walk on story. So I played got recruited out of, you know, out of Middleton. Really didn’t get any big offers from any big D1 schools. I had a few sniffs for Madison, but it was just because I was close and I think they were like, hey, you’re too small and we’re good in the guard category. And so I ended up playing at Winona State. And you know, long story short, kept, I guess, some contact with some of the assistants. And in the back of my mind, you know, I studied my ass off because, you know, after about a semester at Winona, to me, I just realized that it just wasn’t where I wanted to be.

Shawn Carlin 00:03:49  Right? It was like four years of my life. Everybody told you it’s the best four years. And I wasn’t feeling it, so I literally was. I think I was like Madison or Bust, and I knew I needed the grades. And then I sort of kept tabs with the coaches. And when I came back, yeah, I literally it’s funny, I joke about this because I had a golf trip with my dad and brother in law to go to Hilton Head, and I was so excited. And then I got a call from one of the assistant coaches and said, hey, Shawn, we you know, we have two spots. We’d like you. It’s kind of like one of those invite tryouts and we’d like you to come down. And at first I was like, shit, no, I have a golf trip.

Katy Ripp 00:04:27  During my trip. I couldn’t believe it.

Shawn Carlin 00:04:31  I’m like, your head is not in the right place, Shawn. But then I’m like, no, I have to do this right.

Shawn Carlin 00:04:36  This is my opportunity. And this is like the dream. At least I thought it was the dream. And yeah, so I went down and literally like 48 hours. I was in the locker room with the uniform. I sit next to Mike Finley and I’m like, what?

Katy Ripp 00:04:49  What happens happened?

Shawn Carlin 00:04:50  Yeah. So anyway, I played two years, kind of wrapped up my two years and played two years down there, earned a scholarship. And yeah, it’s one of those kind of a cool walk on to scholarship type stories, which I’m very proud of.

Katy Ripp 00:05:03  But yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:05:04  For well, first of all, what year did you graduate.

Shawn Carlin 00:05:07  The high school? 92.

Katy Ripp 00:05:08  Oh, you did other stuff. Okay. I didn’t know that.

Katy Ripp 00:05:12  You guys both went to Winona.

Katy Ripp 00:05:13  Yeah, I was just going to say your.

Shawn Carlin 00:05:15  Sister went there as.

Katy Ripp 00:05:15  Well.

Katy Ripp 00:05:16  Yes, and I was 14 maybe at the time. 15. I was a freshman in high school and was, like, hitting up every single bar in Winona at the time because I had her ID.

Katy Ripp 00:05:27  We were probably like, high five and somewhere, you know, the mingles.

Shawn Carlin 00:05:30  I think, was the joint where all the 18 year olds could get in and me included. At the time, I wasn’t 21 by any means.

Katy Ripp 00:05:36  So yeah, she bartended.

Katy Ripp 00:05:39  I mean, she was only 18, but I’m guessing you and her took a very different route at Winona State. Let’s just say that.

Shawn Carlin 00:05:45  You know, we crossed paths and I think I think we were probably the only two Middleton people there. I don’t think it was like a destination.

Katy Ripp 00:05:52  Yeah, it was not. Yeah.

Shawn Carlin 00:05:54  And I really only went there to play ball like I knew nothing about it other than when I got contacted by him. And I really fell in love with coach. And. Yeah, that’s really why I went. But.

Katy Ripp 00:06:04  Yeah, but I do.

Shawn Carlin 00:06:05  Remember hanging out with stuff. In fact, I think I had a dorm party where I got in trouble and I remember stuff being there, but.

Katy Ripp 00:06:12  Yeah, shocking. Shocking for all of us. I was probably there too. Well, I can tell you that, you know, I was a freshman in high school when you guys were at Winona, and Katie is just a year older than me, so I’ve certainly known known Katie, your sister, for a long time. But, you know, when I heard Shawn Carlin for most of my high school plus 20s into my 30s and now 40s, I mean, you were the basketball star in our world. I had lots of fangirl moments over Shawn Carlin. Did you know that?

Katy Ripp 00:06:45  I didn’t know that.

Shawn Carlin 00:06:47  But I love to hear that. Thank you for sharing that.

Katy Ripp 00:06:49  You know, for what?

Shawn Carlin 00:06:50  Maybe what small of a basketball career that I have. It’s good to know that maybe I, you know, for those fan crushers.

Katy Ripp 00:06:56  Or whatever they were.

Katy Ripp 00:06:57  Impact. You were an impression on a freshman high schooler. And I mean to connect with you at all. To be honest, I think the first time I saw you come into 1909, I was totally fangirling.

Katy Ripp 00:07:11  I’m like, oh my God, Shawn Carlin is here. I think that you had just come back for the alumni UW something. This was a few years ago and I was like, oh my God, Shawn Carlin is here. And then you reached out to me at one point last year and I was like, what is happening? Shawn Carlin has just reached out to me. I have reached a pinnacle.

Shawn Carlin 00:07:33  Just new.

Katy Ripp 00:07:34  Heights. New heights. Yes. When I reach.

Shawn Carlin 00:07:37  Out, it’s just a new height that.

Katy Ripp 00:07:39  You’ve reached.

Katy Ripp 00:07:39  I just but what you reached out on was like so far removed from, you know, like kind of the pedestal I put you up on on this, like, you know, a financier. And I think we all have like misperceptions of people, especially when we’re, you know, we have crushes on them when we’re in high school. But when we get into like, adulthood, I have always said that nobody makes it to 45 now, almost 46 for me, 50 something for you that we just don’t make it here unscathed, right? Like there’s just no way to tell people in their 20s and 30s that it is impossible to get to a point in your life where it’s like, perfect, right? Like it just does not exist.

Katy Ripp 00:08:25  I hate to burst anybody’s bubble out there, but like, perfection just doesn’t exist. And for me, and I think for you and I’m we’re going to get into your story a little bit and kind of your philosophy, the universe is just like helped me write. Like I don’t have a very organized religion. However, I’m very spiritual. I believe in the universe. I believe in metaphysics. Physics, and that there is an energy around us, that there’s a vibe, there’s high vibration, low vibration energy, all of the things. And for many people it seems very woowoo, right? Like people are like, oh my God, it’s so woo woo and like, how can you believe in the Law of Attraction? I had I posted something not too long ago and they were like, well, that’s God. And I was like, okay, well that might be your God. And God is just like a loaded word for me. It has nothing to do with pretty much anything else. It’s just loaded for me.

Katy Ripp 00:09:21  So I choose to look at it like source energy universe, sort of that, you know, external something out there. And I have started to dabble in, you know, like talking more about it really showing like the practical sides of like manifestation and really getting into that. And I think that’s like what has connected us. right? One of the things that I want to get into, and maybe this is like a, you know, like maybe a little bit further down the line after we’ve gone through your story and stuff. I am so curious about what it’s like to be male and believe this stuff, because from a female perspective, it seems very feminine. While it’s not right, like it’s not gender specific, I’m only in the like, female part of it, right where I’m like, it’s really like my universe is a she and the metaphysics around it and the energy around it is very feminine in my world, and my audience is very female based. I’m curious, like on your X platform, which is huge, and we’re going to go into that a little bit to how much of this is male, how many like people are responding to you as males?

Shawn Carlin 00:10:39  That’s a really good, insightful question, and I think I struggle with that for a long time.

Shawn Carlin 00:10:45  Right. Being in the sports world. Being in the business world. Being in the finance world. And quite frankly I think that’s why. Not that I you know I think struggled a strong word. But I’ve been in you know corporate finance if you will for 28 years. And there was always a sense of in congruency. Right. I felt these things and I felt them really strongly. And, you know, I started leaning into like, well, I’m just introverted, you know, I’m an introvert living in an extroverted world because I looked at the books and I looked at all the things that I gravitated towards. It was, you know, to your point, it was personal development. It was spirituality. And, you know, that’s even been on an evolution over the last, as we all are. Right? We’re all on this journey and we’re evolving. And but it always felt like, what’s wrong with me? And I just sort of like suppressed it all. And like, I can’t talk about those things in my business.

Shawn Carlin 00:11:40  And I found a way to kind of find peace with it, as you know, as I’ve gained, you know, wisdom and maturity. And I’m sharing now with younger people. I think even in, you know, as I look at the world of sales, which, you know what I mean in the world of finance is really good. We’re all in sales on some level where we’re influencing people to make change. Right? I mean, that’s in essence what it is. It’s another I think we put a bad word even on the word of sales.

Katy Ripp 00:12:04  Right. It’s yeah.

Shawn Carlin 00:12:05  We’re all in it in some way, shape or form. But I’ve really learned to like bring it all together. But I also think like that’s, you know, to your point of like my ex account. Really for me, that was a platform for me to start sharing something that I felt was bottled up for a long, long time. I’ve been sort of doing this deep dive, as you have on some of these areas of spirituality and personal growth, leadership development.

Shawn Carlin 00:12:30  And, you know, I’ve also done a deeper dive into like the neuroscience, right. You mentioned metaphysics and neuroscience and, you know, the science of brain change. And for me, like that combination, when I think about the intersection of where a lot of my content and ideas originate really comes at that intersection of spirituality, of psychology, you know, of mind transformation, but bringing in the science of that, because I think there is a very pragmatic side for me that was like, I need this sort of understanding that it’s not. Woo woo.

Katy Ripp 00:13:02  Yeah.

Shawn Carlin 00:13:03  It’s science. Right? Like we talk about energy and that gets to be a very esoteric idea. But you know, when you really get to the science that everything is made up of energy, everything. Yeah. That’s not woo woo.

Katy Ripp 00:13:16  That’s science. Not actually.

Katy Ripp 00:13:17  Science. Right.

Shawn Carlin 00:13:18  No. When you just start to really, you know, combine all those things together and then you start to connect how human beings work and how we communicate and how we reach higher levels of success and potential.

Shawn Carlin 00:13:30  It’s really understanding the energetics, the frequency, the vibration to really dig into that. And once I really started being like, hey, this can actually all work together when I’m one on one with a client and I’m communicating. It’s about reading their energy, right? That to me is like effective communication. And so I think I just became very comfortable with bringing it all together. But I also feel like this greater part of me, very similar to kind of how you’re stepping out on your platform, which I love to see, which is why I ended up reaching out to you, I think, because I just resonated with your messaging. I’m doing the same, right? I’m in this sort of business world, but I see a lot of suffering out there. A lot of it in my mind is really unnecessary suffering, and I wanted to start sharing some of my ideas to, you know, to start helping with that. And that’s kind of where I am today, where I’m not quite where you are, but I am stepping out and starting to build a platform.

Shawn Carlin 00:14:27  I’m starting to coach with people, and I really want to get some of my ideas out there because I think they can help.

Katy Ripp 00:14:31  Yeah, that’s.

Katy Ripp 00:14:32  A perfect segue into how did you get to this place? Like, how did you get to a place where you said, okay, well, maybe there isn’t something wrong with me. Maybe there’s, like, a different way. Like, maybe, actually I can do this. So I’d love to sort of hear how you even got to the point where you were thinking about. There’s got to be something more out here. There’s something else out here.

Katy Ripp 00:14:56  Yeah, I think for a lot of people.

Shawn Carlin 00:14:57  Right. Sometimes it’s when you hit rock bottom right where you really start to search. And I, you know, I can’t say I mean my rock bottom, really. If I pinpointed it was the moment you and I were discussing earlier where, you know, I moved to Denver with a girlfriend, thinking it would sort of fix everything, and it didn’t.

Shawn Carlin 00:15:17  Lo and behold. So here’s two people that were kind of a little bit lost. You know, themselves and, you know, we had a bad breakup and, you know, and I think that moment for me, just sort of unhappy in my career by myself alone in Denver, for the most part. I’m just wondering like, what the hell am I doing with my life? I was really where I started my journey of spirituality, and to take that even a step further. You know, I’d been down in Denver, I had I’ll try to condense my story, but my family was coming down to visit, and we decided to do the, you know, the proverbial dude ranch experience when I was down in Denver. That’s what every family does when they come visit family members down in Colorado. And so I did some research. I found this gentleman. It was a more of a boutique type ranch. And, you know, in my due diligence efforts, I felt it was really important that I go and visit first.

Shawn Carlin 00:16:14  My family’s going to come down for a week. I’m like, well, I want to check this place out, make sure it’s okay. And so this guy Daniel, he looked like a Native American. He, you know, he had his hair pulled back in a ponytail and had the, you know, little darker complected skin. And come to find out, he was a Jewish guy from Chicago, which was really interesting. But, you know, basically what he told me was he’s like, Shawn. I had a long career in business. I sold my business when I was 38, and I moved to Denver and I moved here, and he goes. Everything that I learned in business, I’ve learned from a horse. And then I was like, well, what do you mean? What do you mean by that? Like, that doesn’t make any sense to me. And so I got up on the horse and I started, you know, started on a walk. And, you know, I was nervous.

Shawn Carlin 00:17:04  I’d never really been up on a horse before. You know, I think I’ve maybe done a trail ride before at a, you know, local place. But I get up on this horse and we start walking, which is fine, but I’m carrying a bunch of nerves. And he asked me to push the horse into a, you know, a trot. And we started trotting and, you know, I’m getting more and more uncomfortable. And then he’s like, now squeeze again. I want you to, you know, go into a canter or a lope, as it’s called. And as soon as I did that, the horse like just like try to buck me off and I flew forward and, you know, grab the horse’s mane as I’m almost falling off and grabbed on. And anyways, I was just like you know what the Bleep was that? And anyways I did it again. And the horse did the same thing. And so I’m frustrated. The horse is frustrated. And you know Daniel asked me to get off the horse and he gets on and he basically goes through all of it like seamlessly.

Shawn Carlin 00:17:52  And I basically made a comment I’m like, you know, well, that horse really must not like me at all. And he goes, Shawn has nothing to do with the horse. You know, it has everything going on with you. And I kind of looked at him. I was perplexed, and he made an analogy. He’s like, why do you think the horse was kicking? And he just said, what’s kicking inside of you that the horse is feeling? You know, this Daniel guy doesn’t know anything about me. He doesn’t know anything about what’s going on in my life. But of course I know what’s going on. And so he went on to explain, right. Just and this is where I really got hooked. And he just went on to explain how horses are very energy intuitive, very energy aware animals. They’re very intuitive. They’re very energy Sensitive and they basically feel what you’re feeling inside. And so as a prey animal, it makes sense. Right. So if you know, if a horse is out in the past or out, you know, in the wild and they’re out in, you know, in the open and they’re grazing with their herd, well, they have to be able to have a 100% sort of, you know, a 360 awareness of the energy about them.

Shawn Carlin 00:18:55  Right? Because if there is a wolf or some other predator that’s sort of lurking, maybe a mountain lion, they have to be able to sense that energy, right? That intention before it happens. And then the lead horse is able to then sense that right energetically, and they flee right as a prey animal, their fight or flight, and they flee because they felt that danger. And so intuitively, that makes sense. You know, you’ve probably heard that before, right? Like horses know how you’re feeling. Well, people are like, oh, that sounds really stupid. That’s like it just it’s nature. It’s how they’ve survived for millions of years. And so, you know, that was the moment that really brought me down. Not only the spiritual path, but I really sort of dove into energy awareness and sort of found this whole industry of equine guided education. You know, horses are being used all over the world to heal, whether it’s physical handicaps, whether it’s mental issues. There’s some areas here in Madison where they put, you know, people who are paralyzed, either from, you know, the waist down and they’ll utilize horses for physical therapy.

Shawn Carlin 00:20:04  Right. It’s the first time when you get on the horse’s back where you actually can feel that natural motion of your hips, you know, being on a horse, you know, guided by instructors. I know in autism, they’re utilizing equine therapy. And so I really started developing more leadership development sessions, coaching sessions where I was teaching people sort of sound leadership principles through the eyes of the horse. And it’s really phenomenal healing work where, You know, I’ll just. I’ll abbreviate this where, you know, when you put somebody who might be in a leadership position, a CEO or an executive, where on the outside they might be holding a bravado, but on the inside they might be scared shitless. And when you put them in a round circle with a horse one on one, you know a horse doesn’t lie. And a horse is 100% authentic and honest at that moment. And so when you structure these exercises to do one on one sort of human body language and communication, the horse is going to be an immediate mirror to what’s going on, not on the outside but on the inside.

Shawn Carlin 00:21:07  And that, you know, sort of 100% honest feedback in the moment is really, really powerful to help people see kind of what they’re holding in and where they need to change. So anyways, long winded way of sort of telling you how I started my.

Katy Ripp 00:21:20  Journey.

Shawn Carlin 00:21:21  Getting into energy awareness and coaching and personal development, because the horse really took me on a journey of healing myself and I wanted to share that with other people.

Katy Ripp 00:21:32  What made you follow that feeling, that path that like this might be the answer for me?

Shawn Carlin 00:21:39  I think the horse just made me realize that who I thought I was really is not who I am. And that whole journey of discovery was fascinating to me. To see some of that revealed. You know I kind of got stripped down in front of the horse if you will. It’s very vulnerable. You know you have to be vulnerable and to kind of see this persona that I had been kind of holding for myself and how it was really holding me back. Once I sort of got on that path, I’m learning how to peel back those layers of the onion, learning how to live more authentically, trying to be more my authentic self.

Shawn Carlin 00:22:21  That journey for me was just fascinating. I have a curious personality as it is. And it’s been probably 15, 20 years of sort of immersing myself, you know, in this work ever since knowing like, hey, this is what I need to do. No, I’m not quite there yet in terms of like, I haven’t broken away from my career. I enjoy what I do. I know, like this is where I’m stepping into and sort of what brought you and I together here today.

Katy Ripp 00:22:47  You had to sort of be ready for that, right? Like you had to like you said, you had to be vulnerable to be able to, like, receive that kind of wisdom from the horse and that kind of thing. And the reason I’m asking is I picture that CEO in the ring, right? And seeing that horse having a mirror for yourself or for that person and really not being ready to see it. How much of that do you feel like you need to be open to receiving some of this information versus I’m not ready for this.

Katy Ripp 00:23:20  It’s not coming to me.

Shawn Carlin 00:23:22  Yeah. And you get those.

Katy Ripp 00:23:23  Responses.

Shawn Carlin 00:23:24  Right? I mean, I think in that sort of work too, there’s a lot of prep work that, you know, they understand what they’re getting into and why they’re there, right? I mean, normally when someone’s doing something that they engage in, someone like yourself in coaching, it’s because they feel like something’s missing. There’s gotta be something more. And so I think, you know, yeah, I think you have to be to a point where, you know, in my case, where I just kind of hit rock bottom. I was looking for something different. Yeah, like there’s got to be a different path. And I think for others it’s. Yeah, when you hit that tipping point of, like, something in my life needs to change. There’s that catalyst that kind of pushes you into it. And yeah, I think you need to be open to that. It’s got to be a catalyst. It’s got to be the moment.

Shawn Carlin 00:24:09  And sometimes it doesn’t need to be that big thing. Maybe it’s just that little nagging like there’s something more.

Katy Ripp 00:24:15  Yeah, right.

Shawn Carlin 00:24:15  And I need to find it. And then you start searching a little bit, and that’s when they find people like yourself or whatever it might. Maybe it’s that book that gets you on that journey, and then it just starts to cascade from there. But I think for me, yeah, you know, people so often talk about their hero’s journey and it’s these big, huge moments of like, you know, they overdosed on drugs and they, you know, and I hit it low, like I literally had thought bad thoughts. And I, you know, was questioning my life at the time. And it’s not to be overly dramatic, but it’s where I was. And I’d argue, like I just opened myself up at that point to find something greater, to realize to your point that there is something greater whether you want to call it God, spirit, essence, intelligence a lot to me, it’s all the same energy.

Katy Ripp 00:25:04  We’re all talking about the same thing.

Katy Ripp 00:25:06  I mean, I love organized religion if that floats your boat, by all means, right? But it is sort of all having faith in something. And to your point, the rock bottom. For me personally, I say like, I kind of skipped along rock bottom for a long time. It was not an epiphany. It was not. I mean, I did wake up one day and was like, oh, I am no longer drinking anymore. That was a day that I decided, and for me, I kind of call it a trickle down effect, right? Like all the things that I had been trying to change for so long, I changed one thing and that was able for me to let the rest of it sort of trickle down and that good energy sort of trickle down and hit all of the areas of my life. But I have also been on a journey since I was probably 14 years old. And I guess if I had to, like, pinpoint something, my parents got divorced when I was 14 and it changed the trajectory of my life.

Katy Ripp 00:26:00  I don’t know what it would have been like otherwise. I’ll never know that. But for me it was like a huge change and I’ve constantly looked. And to use your word.

Katy Ripp 00:26:12  Seek.

Katy Ripp 00:26:13  I’ve been seeking a different way. In some ways it’s personal development, health and wellness, spirituality, you know. And then I had kids and it was like, how can I be a better parent? How can I? And it was all this like, like where I am now was a culmination of years of therapy and acupuncture and reading and podcasts and articles and really like looking for something. At the time, I thought it was to like, make me like the best version of myself, but really it was a journey to authenticity. Like really a way to like again, to your point, peel back the layers of the onion and really get into who the fuck am I? And I don’t know that I know it now, right? Like, I just keep trying to do stuff that like, feels good and I keep taking the next best step.

Katy Ripp 00:27:10  Is it always the right step? Absolutely not. Do I always get the best reception? No. Do I feel good about what I’m putting out there? Yes. And that is enough for me right now. I’m curious in the you know, you had mentioned your career. I don’t exactly know what you do, to be honest, but I know you’re in the finance world and very business centric sales. Right. Like a very I guess in my world they call it like a patriarchal business, you know, rigid or that’s what I, that’s what I perceive it as. I’m not saying that that’s what it is, but tell me about how you’re trying to live this way in that kind of environment.

Shawn Carlin 00:27:50  Yeah, I think for me it’s been the word softening comes up where I approach my meetings differently, I listen differently, I show up differently, and I try to come at it from, you know, with a different energy. And I think I noticed that in my clients. Right. Instead of like resisting something that I felt like I was resisting for a lot of years, like fighting, struggling, friction, you know, these are all negative energies and just allowing and accepting and looking at, you know, just being very, you know, having a lot of gratitude for what I do.

Shawn Carlin 00:28:27  Right. For a long time, I thought, I’m supposed to be doing this, but yet I’m stuck doing this. Right. And that sort of friction, it wasn’t working really, really well. Right. And I think now it’s sort of understanding that, you know, the only thing that’s going to create that friction was me. And so finding more and more gratitude for what I’m doing today as a way to help fund what I would like to do in the future. Right. And all the wonderful things that it’s provided for me and my family. And, you know, looking at it from a, you know, being very, very grateful, I see it as a stepping stone to where I’m going, but really try to get rid of the resistance, you know, just to back up for a second. I was listening as a coach, you know, you start to get trained on, like, you know, the words we use, right? And you actually picked out a word that I used which was searching.

Shawn Carlin 00:29:21  And you know what? I’ve almost learned today? That it’s more of like a instead of searching or seeking something today it’s more of a revealing process.

Katy Ripp 00:29:33  Right.

Katy Ripp 00:29:33  Oh I love that.

Shawn Carlin 00:29:34  So you know when I start to think about like searching or seek it implies that it’s not already there. Does that make sense.

Katy Ripp 00:29:42  Yeah 100%.

Katy Ripp 00:29:44  Yeah. Right.

Shawn Carlin 00:29:44  It’s just that little word change when you start to think like it just has a total energetic different feel to it. Right. So when you think of about more revealing it’s revealing who you already are. Right. Now you said the words like and I said you know stripping you know the onion apart to get to the core of who you really are. And I think that’s a really important thing to look at. I often use the phrase my girls probably roll their eyes when I say it around the house, but I say, you know, the problem is never the problem. I’d argue, you know, some people will like, roll their eyes on this as well.

Shawn Carlin 00:30:16  But I’m like, there are no Problems. Now that might sound like very pollyannaish, but there’s only circumstance. It’s the meaning we give or the perspective that we give that creates the problem, right? Or the suffering or whatever you want to call it. And so if you just understand that what happens happens is a quote from one of my mentors, it took me a while to kind of really digest this, but he said, you know, what happens happens. And it couldn’t have been any other way because it didn’t.

Katy Ripp 00:30:46  Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:30:47  There wasn’t a choice. It just.

Katy Ripp 00:30:49  Happened.

Shawn Carlin 00:30:50  I’m not saying it was good or I’m not saying it. Maybe it didn’t feel awesome at the time. In fact, it may have sucked, but the fact is, it happened. And the more you resist, what happened is the more you perpetuate the suffering. And so by just accepting and not resisting, then you’re able to at least accept. And then it’s the meaning we give or the relationship we have to what happens that creates that sort of perpetual suffering as we go or that ability just to move on accepts what’s happened.

Shawn Carlin 00:31:21  And so to me, it is sort of a dissolution process, not sort of a seeking. And so the more and more you can sort of dissolve and pull away the layers of yourself that is sort of rooted in that sort of I think the human structure is naturally rooted in some form of limitation and adequacy or scarcity. That’s how we’re brought into this world. And then the lens that we see everything through kind of comes through that lens. So the more we can dissolve that and see that’s not who we truly are, the more we can start to connect with like what we truly want in life.

Katy Ripp 00:31:52  For me.

Katy Ripp 00:31:53  I’m a huge visual person, so what you’re talking about resonates on so many levels. But for me, it was what I picture as flipping my magnet. So, you know, if you are watching two magnets, you know, like the proverbial horseshoe magnet with the red and the silver and whatever, and you know, they’re pushing against each other, but all you have to do is flip on over and it attracts that to me is such like a I mean, I call it flipping my magnet.

Katy Ripp 00:32:17  I write it in my journal all the time, like, what do I need to do to flip my magnet here? Because most times, like I am fighting against something so hard, that friction, that paddling upstream, you know, whatever you’re doing, that’s kind of like not going with the flow to me, if I can just flip my magnet and it’s really what keeps me sober, because that’s all I think about, is I was constantly fighting against it all the time. And for me it was fear, right? And most of these things, it is fear, right? Like we’re scared about what we’re going to find out. We’re scared about what people are going to say we’re scared about. I mean, those are, to me totally natural fears, right? Like they just are what they are. It’s really just like pulling some of that stuff out from underneath the bed, looking at it, saying, this is what it is like. Let’s look at this from a subjective point of view and try to go with it or accept it, rather than fighting against it all the time.

Katy Ripp 00:33:16  I think that this is very true in our diet culture. I think it’s very true in our money situation. You know, like the way we feel about money. It’s very true in our spirituality, like all of these things sort of on that wheel of life. I think so much of this, if we can just accept where we’re at and sort of flip the magnet and figure out like that, like instead of fighting against this, instead of trying to solve the problem, how can we look at it subjectively like somebody else would look at it and figure it out? And most recently, and I hope we can talk about money a little bit because I love your views on this. Most recently, January 1st, my resolution. I’ve had a money resolution for 40 years or 30 years, and it was always, you know, get out of debt, make $100,000. You know, all of these like Smart goals. And this year I decided to do it differently. I decided to flip my magnet and I said, the only thing I’m going to do this whole entire years pay attention to my finances.

Katy Ripp 00:34:19  That’s it. That’s all I’m going to do. I’m just going to bring everything out. I’m going to take it out from underneath the bed. I’m going to find all of our accounts. I’m going to look at our savings. I’m going to look at old 401 days. I’m going to look at all the debt we have. I’m going to look at all the interest rates. And all I’m going to do is pay attention to it. And I’ll tell you that all of those other goals that I’ve had for years solved themselves.

Katy Ripp 00:34:44  just.

Katy Ripp 00:34:45  Period. I just like I took all the shame off of it. I took all the emotional charge off of it and just looked at it like it wasn’t my fault. Like there was no reason to even like, it’s simply numbers. Now, do we have, like, a whole loaded? I don’t even know what the right word is around money. Yes, we all have like our money stories, our first money memories, all of those things. But when I just really decided to flip my magnet and accept where I was rather than trying to fix it or blame myself, it all just worked out.

Katy Ripp 00:35:23  It’s like it’s fascinating to me because really, it’s the only thing I did. And so now I’m like, it’s like a game. I’m like obsessed with it. Like in such a good way, right? Like I have money Mondays. Right? Like I come into my office and I look at all of our accounts and I do all of our stuff and for ten minutes and it’s you can’t even imagine how long I ignored it. And now I’m like, oh my God, this is so fun. So I’m just because you’re in the money world. I’m so curious about your opinion on money. You’re like, what’s out there? How do you feel about it? Like just anything. Anything about money. I’m just obsessed with money right now.

Katy Ripp 00:36:05  And yeah, I just I just saw your email.

Katy Ripp 00:36:07  Do. Yes. I just basically gave you my entire email this morning. Also, I work with a lot of clients that are small business owners, and right now I’m hearing a lot of my clients say, I don’t need to make that much money, right? I just need to make enough money so I don’t have to worry about money, or I don’t need to make $100,000 a year.

Katy Ripp 00:36:26  That’s like the newest one. Like, I don’t need to make $100,000. I just need to make X in order to do this. And so what I’m hearing is we’re so scared to make the money. And I’m so excited for women especially, but all good people. Like it’s our responsibility as good people to make money so we can do good with the world, right? Like so we can donate to the baseball teams. I mean, on a small level, but also like, so we can take our families on vacations, which is not selfish. That is self-care. And it’s taking care of your family, which makes you a higher Vibration which brings everybody together. So, like, I am just I’m fascinated by it. Yeah, obviously, because.

Katy Ripp 00:37:16  I’m like.

Katy Ripp 00:37:17  La la la la la la.

Katy Ripp 00:37:18  La. I mean, it’s 100,000.

Shawn Carlin 00:37:19  Shameful. I mean, I.

Katy Ripp 00:37:21  Don’t think so.

Katy Ripp 00:37:22  But at one time I did.

Katy Ripp 00:37:24  Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:37:25  Well, and you know, in the big scheme of things, $100,000 isn’t that much.

Katy Ripp 00:37:28  But I also grew up with parents that paid $22,000 for their first house. And I hear that all the time, right, like I don’t how could you pay $50,000 for a vehicle, right? Like, I still hear that in a way that’s not malicious. It’s just things have changed so much. So when you go and you buy a $350,000 house ten years ago, you feel like, oh my God, do I not deserve this? Because my parents paid $22,000 for their house? Just like those are the kind of money stories that I have definitely had in my head. And there is something to be said about women coming into my office and feeling like $100,000 is shameful. Like it’s somehow selfish to be making $100,000 or the other recent one that I’ve heard, and I’ve heard this for a very long time. Well, I don’t have to work. I just like, okay, what does that mean? That you don’t have to work because your husband or your partner makes enough money that you can just stay home? Is that what that actually means? Because I’ve seen some people come in and say, I want to start this business.

Katy Ripp 00:38:39  It’s my little side hustle. They’re starting businesses on $0, right? Like they’re coming in and putting it on a credit card, and they’re thinking that they can start a brand new business for 5000 bucks. And this is in no way to, like, shame anybody into thinking that you can’t do that. I started many businesses on $0, actually quite less than $0, but that they’re coming in and saying, well, I don’t really have to do this. I could just like stay home and, you know, be with my kids while they’re and let them go to school. I don’t really have to do this, so I’m not sure if I want to take on all the stress of owning a business. I don’t know what that means.

Shawn Carlin 00:39:17  Yeah. You want to dig a little bit deeper.

Katy Ripp 00:39:20  Into do, right? We what?

Shawn Carlin 00:39:23  Yeah, yeah. Like, can I get you in a coaching relationship where we can dive a little deeper into that one?

Katy Ripp 00:39:27  Right.

Katy Ripp 00:39:28  And so much of my coaching has.

Katy Ripp 00:39:30  Yes, it’s business mentorship. And I will help you set up your LLC and I will do all that. But I also need to know why you think you don’t deserve $100,000. I need to know that I can’t work with you otherwise. I’m sorry.

Shawn Carlin 00:39:43  Yeah, no, I, I get it. You know, it’s interesting because, like, part of my brain wants to go to, like, the financial discussion when you talk about, you know, the $22,000 home. And I’m like, you know, you look at the $35 trillion of government debt and the inflationary problem. And, you know, I’ll pose a question often like, look, it’s not the value of your home that went up 40% in the last five years, it’s the value of the dollar went down 40%. And that’s a real mind screw for people to understand because they think they’re getting wealthier. But meantime, it’s really the fact that we’ve printed a massive amount of money through our government over the last five years. I mean, a huge amount of money.

Shawn Carlin 00:40:21  And it’s inflationary. Right. And so it creates this whole illusion. And that’s why, you know, your parents bought a $22,000 home. And today, you know, 22,000 is what you’ll pay in taxes sometimes. You know, it’s crazy.

Katy Ripp 00:40:36  Yeah. It’s crazy going on. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Shawn Carlin 00:40:38  Totally different discussion. That’s not what we’re here to do today. But I think again listening like I often like to think a thought came into my mind. It’s like you can’t create what you want to create in life by focusing on what you don’t want. And so when you talk about like, I don’t want to be in debt or, you know, I don’t want to be overweight or, you know, to me you’re just perpetuating that which you don’t want by focusing on what you don’t want.

Katy Ripp 00:41:03  To me, that’s the same energy. It’s the same energy. You’re giving the universe the same energy. You’re telling them, don’t give me this. But that’s all you’re thinking about.

Shawn Carlin 00:41:12  I want money or I want more money in my life because I don’t want to be poor.

Shawn Carlin 00:41:16  Okay, I understand that concern. But again, energetically, where’s that coming from? Right. And I think that’s where when you really start to get into I mean money stories, as you mentioned, I’d love to get into it a little bit because I feel like, you know, you could ask, you know, look, ask 100 people, you know, what money means to them, like define it. You’re going to get 100 different answers out there, right? I mean, some people might talk about money, as you know, maybe it’s freedom or it’s time or it’s security or it’s peace of mind. Right? All these words kind of come to mind, maybe in the more positive vein, but then you can ask people, other people might turn around and say, money is greed, money is evil. Maybe it’s egotistical, it’s a necessary evil. And so it really does go back to what is your money story. And I think, you know, I find that really, really fascinating to really kind of start diving in to see it’s not about money itself.

Shawn Carlin 00:42:09  It’s about your relationship to money. Right.

Katy Ripp 00:42:12  Which is just an energy as well. Right? Money is just an energy to one of the things that I’ve been asking my clients, which sort of throws people for a loop is what’s your first money memory. Right. Like my first money memory is my parents sitting around a dining room table arguing about the bills. Who knows when that was. Maybe I was 6 or 7. You know, it was like more often than not that there was some sort of argument. The second money memory I have is my parents divorce and how messy it was, not because of the kids, but because of money and so just finances in general. Even though we had money, we were raised in a very scarcity mindset. So and then one of my clients in my group coaching had said her first money memory was her first paycheck. Right? So like mine was sort of a negative, like, oh God, my parents had this like charged relationship with it, but hers gave her like, oh my God, I have my own money.

Katy Ripp 00:43:10  It gave me the freedom to do what I want to do. And so like your first money memory, really thinking back to what is it? We don’t even think about money that way, right?

Shawn Carlin 00:43:23  One question I like is, you know, when I was younger, money was blank and like, fill in the blank and you can think about, like, you know, when I ask people in conversation like, I mean, let’s come up with a few, like, you think about the most common, you know, the big ones, like money doesn’t grow on trees, right?

Katy Ripp 00:43:39  Actually it does. I mean, in.

Katy Ripp 00:43:42  Theory, it actually does.

Shawn Carlin 00:43:44  You know, but like people will come up with that one all the time, right? You know, the other popular one is, you know, money is the root of all evil.

Katy Ripp 00:43:51  Yes. You hear money as hard.

Katy Ripp 00:43:54  It’s hard money as hard. Like you have to work hard to get money. And that was a tough one for me, because my work ethic for so long was tied to my character and therefore the harder I worked, which in my mind meant the more miserable I was, the more money I made.

Katy Ripp 00:44:16  And so I just like was not really willing to be miserable for money. And that’s what kept me from making money basically is like I wasn’t ready or willing to fit into the mold of my own money story. It’s a real mindfuck.

Katy Ripp 00:44:32  It really is. And it’s, you know, I think.

Shawn Carlin 00:44:34  Of that first step is awareness, though, right? Like, not many people spend the time really thinking about like peeling back the layer of the onion to say, where does this come from? Yeah, right. And you know this through probably what you’ve studied. But most of your subconscious belief system was developed by age seven.

Katy Ripp 00:44:49  Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:44:49  I mean, also so fascinating, right? We’ve got all these years on seven year olds and we think we know more.

Katy Ripp 00:44:55  Right.

Shawn Carlin 00:44:56  That’s also why those first seven years are so critical.

Katy Ripp 00:44:59  To.

Shawn Carlin 00:44:59  The development of a child’s brain because that’s, you know, basically what they are is they become a product of their environment.

Katy Ripp 00:45:05  It’s their parents.

Katy Ripp 00:45:05  You have 15 year olds like I do.

Katy Ripp 00:45:07  We haven’t totally fucked them up.

Katy Ripp 00:45:09  Not completely. Right? Not totally.

Katy Ripp 00:45:11  I mean, there’s you know, we still probably gave them a chance.

Katy Ripp 00:45:15  Yes. Yeah.

Shawn Carlin 00:45:16  When I talk about all these things, it’s not to say that they’re all negative things that we’ve implanted in our children. Right. But when you do start to think about some of those things that, you know, whether it was intentional or not, it was passed on from your parents, from their parents, from their parents, and it was passed on to you. And so, you know, when you look at that foundation of really how and what you think and you’ve heard the analogy, you know, your beliefs become your thoughts, right? And then your thoughts create an emotion. Those emotions create actions or in many cases in action, depending on where they’re coming from. And then those actions are in actions. Create your outcomes. Basically create your life. And if you can picture that more in a concentric circle. It’s all woven together because eventually.

Shawn Carlin 00:46:00  Then your outcomes then reinforce your belief system. Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:46:04  Whether it is what it is, it’s not good or bad, right? Like they are just what they are. It’s the energy you give them.

Shawn Carlin 00:46:11  Right? But it’s also seeing them because they work on subconscious autopilot. And so 95% of your day you are operating on your subconscious autopilot. These are all stories and narratives that have defined who you are and who you think you are. And so if you’re wondering why you’re going through your day, right? I mean, you think 60 or 70,000 thoughts per day, 90% of them are the same thoughts you had the day before. And a majority of those thoughts are either negative or don’t serve your higher self. And so every day you’re getting out of bed thinking the same thoughts, those same negative thoughts, right, that are driving those same negative emotions, creating that inaction that creates the outcome. And then you’re wondering, why does my life suck so bad right now? Why do I feel stuck.

Katy Ripp 00:46:55  And.

Shawn Carlin 00:46:56  You can’t figure that out. And so what you do is you go to the external environment to try to figure it out. Well, life is doing this to me. My boss is doing this to me. My wife is doing this to me, my husband is doing this to me, and everything is external to try to justify what’s going on. Meanwhile, it’s really coming internally. But it’s really hard because you don’t see it. Yeah. Now, I think digging deeper and deeper and deeper to get into when you get into even money issues, to me, they’re not money issues at all. They’re issues of self-worth. Yeah. And so somebody to me who says they don’t want, you know, I just want to make 100 grand, you know, again, whether it’s 100 or 2, 50 or 80, you know, the number to me doesn’t matter. But if it is sort of a you’re putting a cap on yourself. If we really start to dig in, what does that say about you? At some point, I bet I could trace back to their childhood that there was some issue of self-worth that they adopted as their story.

Shawn Carlin 00:47:53  Right? And that story is playing out in every element of their life beyond money. It’s playing out relationally. It’s playing out in their career, it’s playing out everywhere. But until you have the ability to get down to the, you know, I say, look, the content is your story. Everyone’s got a story of why things are happening in their life. And, you know, right. You sit down, you talk to them. Even as coach, people are going to start going about their story. Well, when you can get out of the content and get into the context, get into that subconscious belief system of what’s driving everything. That’s where you can find the gold and where you can finally release and see the untruth in that. And once you see the untruth in that sort of that limiting belief, then everything else becomes available. So to me, yeah, we can speak about money, you know, in the properties of money and things of that nature. But I think in the end it really gets down to like, what is that core limiting belief that’s really driving all of your decisions, you know, going forward.

Katy Ripp 00:48:53  Yeah.

Katy Ripp 00:48:54  I’ve gotten into a lot of value work. Right. Like really digging into what people value, what I value, the set of values I have that was different from the set of values I had five years ago, ten years ago, 15 years ago. Pre kids. Post kids, pre business post business pre Speidi post. You know these kind of things. And really when I got down into it I started digging into what do I really want. And continuing to ask yourself until you can find the real answer what do you want. You know like right now I want a snack. Okay, fine. But what do you really want? Right? Like there’s this constant circle of getting into and around money. I think they’re all kind of connected, right? Like when you talk about relationships, when you talk about money. To your point, it’s probably the same limiting belief that is affecting all of those pie shapes on the.

Katy Ripp 00:49:51  You.

Katy Ripp 00:49:51  Know, Wheel of Life. But what do you really want out of life? Okay, well, I want $100,000.

Katy Ripp 00:49:57  Okay. What is $100,000 going to give you? Well, I don’t want to have to worry about money anymore. Well, okay. What’s the worry about money? What are we worrying about? Because is it security like are we worried about, like, ending up on the street or are we worried about impressing somebody else? Right. Like getting really honest with yourself. It’s okay. Like there’s no good and bad if you want to impress your neighbor. There’s nothing wrong with that. But be honest that that’s why you’re trying to make the money. If that’s the answer that somebody else told you you should have. Maybe not impressing your neighbor, but that you should buy a house rather than rent because that’s somebody else’s story, then be honest about it. If you don’t want to do fucking yard.

Katy Ripp 00:50:43  Work.

Katy Ripp 00:50:44  Just because your dad says it’s the only way to live the American dream is to buy a house.

Katy Ripp 00:50:49  No, I’m.

Katy Ripp 00:50:50  Going to rent for the rest of my life because I don’t want to do yard work.

Katy Ripp 00:50:54  So really getting honest. And that’s sort of where this like, actually I can tag comes in, right? Like you actually can do whatever you want, right? Like you just have to be really brave and really honest with yourself. And again, there’s like that, you know, lovely dopamine hit that we get like happiness out of. Right. That’s great. Right. Like there’s lots of ways to get it real fake. You know that dopamine hit. But to stay at a level where things aren’t super high and super low but stay at the sort of content level, I think that’s where the secret sauce is. And that’s like the authenticity and the real honesty and the real bravery and the real putting yourself out there in a way that aligns with who you actually are. And I think that takes a lot of time. One of the things I wrote before was like, you don’t have.

Katy Ripp 00:51:49  To blow.

Katy Ripp 00:51:50  Up your life to do this shit. We see, like you had said, the Daniel, is that his name from the dude ranch? Right? Like he left a business after 38 years and came, you know, like, went out and was a cowboy.

Katy Ripp 00:52:02  Cool. If that’s what he wanted to do. That’s amazing. But you don’t have to, like, completely blow up your life in order to get some of this thing. You can do it inside of your life. So I’d love to hear about, like, what your ex account does. Are there some practical steps that you like to give to people? We’re definitely going to share all of your, you know, handles, and I’d love to get people to follow you and work with you and that kind of thing too. So we’re going to get there. But I’m curious if you’ve got some like go to things.

Katy Ripp 00:52:32  Well, I think it’s just key.

Shawn Carlin 00:52:33  I think the most powerful thing you can do for someone is just provide a different perspective. Right. One of my favorite quotes, Marcel Proust, is the journey of new discovery is not in finding new lands, but in seeing with new eyes. And I just love that. I’ve loved that for a long time, and I think it just sits with me about, you know, helping people see a different perspective, the lens that you where are you wearing glasses right now and the lens that you’re seeing.

Shawn Carlin 00:53:00  The world is your perspective. And I think we’re naturally brought into this world as a human being. The system is naturally limited. The way I see it, I get in this conversation a lot about like, what’s the meaning of life, right? I don’t know, it’s where the hell are you? Meaning you want to give it. That’s the meaning. But purpose. To me, purpose is a really different thing. Or like a really meaty discussion you can have. So me purpose is to transcend these limitations. Like we’re born into this world as a human being, and we’re born with the set of natural limitations, inadequacies, you know, scarcities. And the whole idea is to become aware and to transcend, to see that that’s not who we are. And like me, this is like the mission that I’m on in my own sort of personal quest. It ain’t easy doing that.

Katy Ripp 00:53:48  Know what I.

Shawn Carlin 00:53:49  Think? You know, sharing some of these perspectives that, like. Look, as a coach, I want you to see, you know, I mentioned we don’t have problems, that you don’t have a problem.

Shawn Carlin 00:53:58  What if you did not have a problem at all? And the only thing that’s getting in the way is just sort of your perception of how you’re seeing the world, right? There’s absolutely nothing wrong. It’s just sort of what you’re giving meaning to and the perception that you’re giving your world. So if I can help you, you see with a new lens, then to me that like, that’s super powerful. To me that’s like freedom.

Katy Ripp 00:54:18  Yeah. In the end.

Shawn Carlin 00:54:19  If like, somebody’s like, all right, what do you really Hawk and Shawn, you know, and what you’re doing. You know what? What do you do for people? I’m like freedom. Like, yeah. In the end, that’s what I would like to be able to provide. Because if people are living in that sort of limitation, I’m like, we’re all sort of struggling to become like a perfected version of our limited selves.

Katy Ripp 00:54:38  Yeah, right. That’s one. Yeah, I like that. Right. Like it’s.

Shawn Carlin 00:54:42  Really hard. You just keep doing this. You’re bumping up against the ceiling. Why? Because you’re living in this constraint of limitation. And until you’re able to, like, see that and break out of that, you’re just going to keep trying to perfect those limitations.

Katy Ripp 00:54:56  Oh.

Katy Ripp 00:54:56  I love that. I might have to write that down. I’m going to definitely keep this recording. One of the things that you said before about your girls and rolling their eyes, right? I have been called a professional eye roller. Just so we’re clear that I win at that. What I have discovered, though, is all those things that we roll our eyes at, right? Like all of the things the journaling, the meditating, the digging deeper, the changing our perspective, I mean, those are all the things that fucking work. I’m serious. Like all the things that I’ve rolled my eyes at professionally for years are the things that have worked for me. And by work, I don’t mean like I’m winning, right? Like there’s no trophy for this shit, but has put me on that really nice little level, right? Like that level of contentedness, that level of non-judgment.

Katy Ripp 00:55:49  The more I used to judge people, the more I judged myself. And I hear all the time. Right. Like, I just I wish I could not care what people think about me. You can. Yeah. It’s a lovely place to be, let me tell you. Right. Like I just don’t put that much energy into it anymore. As long as I’m living by my core values and I am aligned with that, and my core values are of a right nature when we’re talking about right and wrong. Right? Like when I’m living by those core values and I know in my body when I’m misaligned, I know it. I’ve done a lot of work to connect my mind and body together, that when something doesn’t feel right, it’s not right for me. It’s misaligned with my values. And so I’ve done enough work to dig into that, to know that I don’t really have anything to apologize for anymore. Because my thing, I don’t say anything or do anything really, that’s against what my values are.

Katy Ripp 00:56:52  Does that mean that everybody loves what my values are?

Katy Ripp 00:56:55  No.

Katy Ripp 00:56:56  No, sir, they do.

Katy Ripp 00:56:58  Not.

Katy Ripp 00:56:59  But mostly I’m only attracting people that do right.

Shawn Carlin 00:57:04  Like I’ve seen how that works,

Katy Ripp 00:57:06  That’s so weird.

Katy Ripp 00:57:07  I just, like, I don’t have to deal with that stuff because I just don’t attract those people anymore. I did for a long time because I was misaligned and the universe was like, oh, you’re asking for this. So here’s this person to teach you this fucking lesson.

Katy Ripp 00:57:22  Yeah, well, it’s such a great point.

Shawn Carlin 00:57:24  You bring up Katy. You know, you’ve probably heard this, but your triggers are your treasures.

Katy Ripp 00:57:28  Oh, I just.

Katy Ripp 00:57:30  Actually, I just heard that for the first time not too long ago. I had to sit on that for a while.

Katy Ripp 00:57:35  It’s hard, but like.

Shawn Carlin 00:57:37  And I’ll share a quote from Peter Crone, who is one of my mentors, and I love the guy, but this one I had to sit with two. But it’s. It was.

Shawn Carlin 00:57:42  Life will bring you people in circumstances to show you where you’re not free, you know, and you have to be open to that right? When you get triggered, normally the first thing you want to do is go after somebody. It’s external. It’s them.

Katy Ripp 00:57:53  Yep, yep.

Shawn Carlin 00:57:55  But if you truly want to be free when I say free, I’m not. You know, we’re all in a free country, but living free of a lot of these limitations. It’s when you get triggered, can you have the humility and the accountability to step back and say, all right, where am I contributing to this? What am I learning here about me, and where am I still stuck?

Katy Ripp 00:58:16  Yeah, yeah.

Shawn Carlin 00:58:17  One of the things I want to add to us about X, and I think one of the key ideas, and this is where I get into like my the tough love piece of what I do a little bit. It’s not all woo woo, but it’s accountability. It’s 100% accountability for everything that you’ve created in your life to this date, good and bad.

Shawn Carlin 00:58:34  You created. Yeah. Now I’ll get a lot of pushback on that, because I know a lot of people could throw a lot of really, really crappy things that have happened. And I’m not saying it’s ideal. I’m not saying everything is, you know, rainbows and butterflies. But what I’m saying is, like when you talked about life sort of having your back, this is sort of life’s way of helping you become the best version of yourself that you can be in the way that you take these setbacks, and the meaning that you give to those setbacks is going to determine sort of the pace of how you do that. And it doesn’t mean when something really awful happens. We don’t grieve and we don’t mourn or whatever, but it’s sort of like, look, if you can step back and just sort of see eventually the lesson is there always is. We’re all in our own karmic journey and what we’re doing here. But like when those triggers happen instead of like next time, instead of getting pissed at your spouse, stepping back and just say, you know, how am I creating this myself? That’s 100% accountability.

Shawn Carlin 00:59:34  And if you truly want that personal freedom, because the other side of that equation is being the victim 100%. Being a victim is really powerless.

Katy Ripp 00:59:42  And.

Katy Ripp 00:59:43  That continues to perpetuate. Right. Like I think victim mode begets more victim mode. Absolutely. And freedom begets more freedom. I mean, I really cannot tell you the last time I was really triggered by something because like, those lessons just come less and less for me. Do I need to be corrected sometimes?

Katy Ripp 01:00:04  Yes, absolutely.

Katy Ripp 01:00:05  But I am so much more in tune with those corrections from the universe come to me that I can very quickly realize that was misalignment. I know it, I feel it in my body and now I can make a different decision instead of I’m a terrible, fucking awful person. I’m a lazy piece of shit. I don’t do anything right. I have put our family in this situation. I mean, you know that just like keeps rolling and rolling and rolling. Yeah. And those things for me personally, because I’ve gotten really honest with myself.

Katy Ripp 01:00:42  I just don’t have them very often. Now again, do I get triggered? Sure. And are there some things in my life that I could turn around and say no thank you to? I could have done without that. Plenty of things. However, I can look back at every single one of those things as a gift now. Every single one did. I want my father in law to die? Absolutely not. Right? Like I would love to have him here with us. The lessons that came out of that experience for me has shaped me into the almost 46 year old. I am so thankful for the lessons he gave me in that experience. I didn’t kill him right? Like I had nothing to do with that, except that I can now be thankful for what that experience gave me. Absolutely many, many experiences. I think you’ll also hear, you know, Caitlin Payne was on here not too long ago about Riley. And also, did she wish that on anybody? Absolutely not. But she also is so thankful for the perspective that Riley gave her the ability to raise money in Riley’s name.

Katy Ripp 01:01:53  Right? Like all of those things, you have to sort of be open to them, and it takes a lot of time. I mean, time isn’t linear in a lot of ways. I do think in that way, in grief and in really being able to accept some of these things, it is sort of a gradual it cannot be forced. It has to be sort of a consistent attitude of gratitude, that rolling eyes. Right? Like nobody likes to hear attitude of gratitude, especially me. But it is that like consistent on most days I feel really grateful for these things. Some days I don’t, but on most days I do. And so therefore it’s just started to be less and less that something triggers me.

Shawn Carlin 01:02:38  Yeah. Sometimes I’ll say, if they said those same words to you in Mandarin, would it hurt the same?

Katy Ripp 01:02:43  Oh, that’s so good. Good one.

Shawn Carlin 01:02:47  Just like.

Katy Ripp 01:02:47  So good. But so when.

Shawn Carlin 01:02:49  You think right, it’s like hot air over vibration is coming out.

Katy Ripp 01:02:52  Right? Yeah.

Shawn Carlin 01:02:53  And it throws you into this oblivion emotionally. And again, I know that’s easier said than done, but when you really have the ability to step back and be like, no, it’s the meaning I’m giving it.

Katy Ripp 01:03:03  Yeah.

Shawn Carlin 01:03:04  Something triggers in you because you have this feeling about yourself that was validated through what that person said 100%.

Katy Ripp 01:03:12  Right.

Katy Ripp 01:03:12  Like you just some level.

Katy Ripp 01:03:13  And sometimes we just want to be right and I want it to be right forever. The ego.

Shawn Carlin 01:03:18  Always wants to be.

Katy Ripp 01:03:19  Right.

Katy Ripp 01:03:19  Oh, my ego lives real high on the horse for a long time or high in the hog. I think it’s high in the hog. Right?

Shawn Carlin 01:03:28  It’s one of those horse hog.

Katy Ripp 01:03:29  Whatever. Whatever cliche horse. I do love me.

Katy Ripp 01:03:32  I love me a good cliche, but we get real confused about ego, right? There’s ego and then there’s ego. I don’t know exactly how to say it, except that my particular ego love to be right. And I remember in some book that I read some articles, some podcasts, something along the way, would you rather be right or would you rather be happy? And those two things are not mutually exclusive.

Katy Ripp 01:04:00  Sometimes you can be right and be happy. And I think I like I sit in that a lot right now, but for so long I wanted to be right. And even the thoughts in my head when I was telling myself, you’re lazy, which was my favorite thing to tell myself you’re lazy. I would do something to be right. Like I just wanted to be right all the time.

Katy Ripp 01:04:24  It’s amazing how we’ll.

Shawn Carlin 01:04:25  Fight for our own limitations. Right to.

Katy Ripp 01:04:27  Be right.

Katy Ripp 01:04:28  To be right, just to be right. And at times, you.

Katy Ripp 01:04:31  Know, it’s.

Shawn Carlin 01:04:32  Not serving you well at all, but you would rather be right than be happy or free.

Katy Ripp 01:04:37  Yes.

Shawn Carlin 01:04:38  And that, to me, is probably at the core of every marital dispute that ever existed.

Katy Ripp 01:04:44  Ever in the history.

Katy Ripp 01:04:46  Of marriage.

Katy Ripp 01:04:47  Because it’s.

Katy Ripp 01:04:48  So true. And the less I want to be right, the happier my marriage is. Ask my husband. I mean, I’m a total know it all and I want to be right.

Katy Ripp 01:04:57  And the less I’ve done that, like the further away I’ve gotten from those things. And they sound kind of funny now, but they were just keeping me where I was. And when I sort of let that go, I mean, letting go is the biggest thing. All of these things sound very simple. And they are they are just not easy. It’s not easy to start. It’s easier to maintain. I think when you get into a it’s just habitual, right. Like now I’m just in a habit of thinking the best outcome rather than the worst. And the universe just loves to see it. And so she just keeps giving me more like just more and more. The other way is also true, right? Like if you just like, are in a perpetual victim mode, she just gives you more of what you’re asking for. She just gives you more of what you’re looking for to be right. I could talk about this shit all day long.

Katy Ripp 01:05:53  Oh, I know we could write.

Shawn Carlin 01:05:54  We could throw out a lot of cliches and lots, you know, like what we.

Katy Ripp 01:05:57  Resist persists.

Shawn Carlin 01:05:58  Right? Like.

Katy Ripp 01:05:59  I mean, my my favorite one of.

Katy Ripp 01:06:01  All time is there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

Katy Ripp 01:06:05  I mean, we.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:05  Just got a new kitten.

Katy Ripp 01:06:07  I’ve got 40.

Katy Ripp 01:06:08  Kittens at.

Katy Ripp 01:06:09  Home. That’s right.

Katy Ripp 01:06:11  I mean.

Katy Ripp 01:06:12  Really.

Katy Ripp 01:06:13  I just don’t know.

Katy Ripp 01:06:13  How about don’t.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:14  Beat a dead horse? That one. I’m always like, well.

Katy Ripp 01:06:16  Yeah, don’t throw.

Katy Ripp 01:06:18  The baby out with the bathwater.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:19  Yeah, it’s a bad visual.

Katy Ripp 01:06:21  Also horrible. Wow.

Katy Ripp 01:06:24  We. I could go down that path for a long time.

Katy Ripp 01:06:27  But it shows you the.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:28  Power of.

Katy Ripp 01:06:28  Language.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:29  Right? I mean, that’s in essence, you know, anything that is holding you back and maybe, you know, I know we’re coming up on time here, probably.

Katy Ripp 01:06:36  Of no, there’s no time. But when you think about that.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:39  Right. The only thing holding you back from being like, completely limitless, abundant you is your thinking. And again simple but not easy.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:52  How do.

Katy Ripp 01:06:52  You see it like to.

Shawn Carlin 01:06:53  Be able to pay attention to it.

Katy Ripp 01:06:55  The language part is so fascinating to me and I’m also guilty. Everybody’s guilty of this right. Like you say something let’s say in a therapy session or in a coaching session or whatever, and the person reflects that back to you. Right? Like that’s one of the skills that I learned was like reflecting particular pieces of language back to the client. And then it’s, well, I didn’t mean it that way. And I’m totally guilty of this, too. Like, I didn’t mean it that way. I didn’t mean to say that word. I didn’t mean it like that. Language is so important. I mean, it’s not to call somebody out. It’s just to make them aware of. What are we really trying to say here? I don’t know if there’s, like, a good example of this, but when somebody says, I’m a lazy piece of shit, right? Like, oh, I didn’t mean it like that.

Katy Ripp 01:07:48  I’m actually not lazy. Well, lazy must be the word. Like there’s something there. And so digging into that a little bit and not getting so defensive about, like I said it, but I didn’t mean it. Mostly those words have some meaning behind them, whatever it is. So if you’re a client of mine and I’m reflecting those words back to you, I’m sorry, but not sorry.

Katy Ripp 01:08:11  Not sorry.

Shawn Carlin 01:08:13  I’m calling you out.

Katy Ripp 01:08:13  But I’m not.

Katy Ripp 01:08:14  It’s out of love. Out of love. That’s okay. It’s out of love.

Katy Ripp 01:08:18  I’m calling you.

Katy Ripp 01:08:19  I want the best for you.

Katy Ripp 01:08:19  But it’s I, I do, I do, but.

Katy Ripp 01:08:22  I do think you need to.

Shawn Carlin 01:08:22  Call people’s best sometimes, right? Because the story This just speaks to how powerful it is, right? You’ve lived this story for so long about who you think you are that it’s become your truth.

Katy Ripp 01:08:35  Yeah, and.

Shawn Carlin 01:08:36  It’s just a story.

Katy Ripp 01:08:38  It is.

Shawn Carlin 01:08:39  And in many cases, it’s not your fault.

Katy Ripp 01:08:41  It’s so many.

Katy Ripp 01:08:41  Cases. It’s not.

Katy Ripp 01:08:42  True.

Shawn Carlin 01:08:43  And it’s not true. That’s the other key. And so yeah, you know, in the absence of believing, you know, when you are able to dissolve. So when you already know like it’s like speaking to we didn’t kind of get to on the money side of like abundance. But the one of the thoughts I had was like, you know, you don’t seek abundance, you don’t find abundance. It’s already there.

Katy Ripp 01:09:03  It’s already.

Katy Ripp 01:09:04  Here. It’s just waiting for you. I have like visual above my head of like all of these like, Donald ducks with, you know, stacks of cash or whatever. It’s just waiting for you.

Katy Ripp 01:09:18  To.

Katy Ripp 01:09:19  Receive it and there’s enough to go around. I say this to clients all the time, especially people that are starting new businesses. Right. Like this person has this business too. Well guess what, there’s Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks.

Katy Ripp 01:09:34  Yeah, right. There’s Target.

Katy Ripp 01:09:35  And Walmart. There’s Old Navy and Gap.

Katy Ripp 01:09:38  There’s. Right. Like there’s I mean, that’s a bad example because they’re owned by the same place, but there’s 8 billion people in this world. 8 billion. We have no idea what that number means. None. Half of that are women. Right. So my demographic is a woman. Likely. So. 4 billion women in the world.

Katy Ripp 01:09:59  I only need like 100. Yeah, right. Like make a meaningful impact.

Shawn Carlin 01:10:05  And what you’re trying to do.

Katy Ripp 01:10:05  Right? Right.

Katy Ripp 01:10:06  Like, to be very honest, I need one. I want to inspire one person. That is really all I am looking for is to inspire one person. The rest of them are cake. And because I know I’m aligned and because I know what I’m putting out is hopefully inspiring people. Is making someone’s life better or the world as a whole. I know I’m going to get paid for it because I’m going to do something really cool with that money. Like that’s just how I’ve started to look at that and I love it.

Shawn Carlin 01:10:41  You know there’s $900 trillion of wealth out there.

Katy Ripp 01:10:44  900 trillion. We have.

Katy Ripp 01:10:46  No idea what that is.

Katy Ripp 01:10:48  What that number represents.

Shawn Carlin 01:10:50  So you know, I love the comment you made about, you know, somebody who maybe felt guilty about making money. But, you know, if you really think about it spiritually or even religiously, if you think about how God would you would the energy of God be more aligned with abundance or scarcity?

Katy Ripp 01:11:06  Right.

Shawn Carlin 01:11:07  God is he’s making everything abundant for every everybody, every person. So to me, this idea that, like my religion tells me that I have to feel guilty or stay small as it relates to the idea of money, I’d say is absolutely Ridiculous.

Katy Ripp 01:11:22  Yeah, right.

Katy Ripp 01:11:23  Somebody said to me one time, and I might get the statistic wrong. I will look it up to make sure I’m right. But the difference between 1 million and 1 billion. Do you know how many 1,000,000 seconds are?

Shawn Carlin 01:11:36  No. Enlighten me.

Katy Ripp 01:11:37  12 days.

Shawn Carlin 01:11:39  12 days.

Katy Ripp 01:11:40  12 days is 1,000,000 seconds.

Katy Ripp 01:11:41  Do you know how many seconds? 1 billion is.

Shawn Carlin 01:11:44  Exponential.

Katy Ripp 01:11:45  33 years, 33 years.

Katy Ripp 01:11:48  So I’ve got.

Shawn Carlin 01:11:49  A trillion, right? I can’t imagine what that is.

Katy Ripp 01:11:51  All right. Like our, you.

Katy Ripp 01:11:52  Know, lifetimes. Right. So, like, people don’t understand when you hear like he’s a billionaire, she’s a billionaire, you know, millionaire or whatever. It’s just words like the meaning behind it is so crazy to think about. Yeah. And we just can’t grasp it. It’s sort of like, again, I don’t want to go into business because I don’t want to compete with that thing or that person or that product or that location or whatever. Dude, there is plenty to go around. Yeah, plenty to go around.

Shawn Carlin 01:12:24  I try to stay with the mantra, like because I say a limiting belief. For me, growing up was there was a scarcity mindset. And so when I even think about transitioning into a new business, right, I have all these responsibilities of my kids and colleges and weddings and, you know, and I want to provide.

Shawn Carlin 01:12:39  But I think one of the mantras I try to, you know, allow for me to repeat was just this idea of I’ve always had enough. I have enough today, and I’ll always have enough. And to me, like just believing in that kind of helps me get out of that sort of scarcity mindset. Because you mentioned it earlier about, you know, just it’s a sense of security and you want to be safe and you want to make sure you’re taking care of people and, you know, you can get caught up and all that chatter and all it does is it prevents you from doing that thing that you really want to do, right?

Katy Ripp 01:13:09  Like, what do you really want?

Katy Ripp 01:13:11  Do you want to provide endless amounts of cash to your children, or do you want to provide them experience or, you know, whatever that I mean, that’s just an example. And my husband and I have had this conversation a few times. You know, if you want an X amount of dollars, do you want that X amount of dollars in your bank account, like just sitting there looking at you, staring at you, and that will make you feel better? Or do you want things that are worth that much, right.

Katy Ripp 01:13:39  Like because there’s a difference between that dollar amount just sitting there staring at you, and either that dollar amount going to work for you, that dollar amount sitting in the garage, that dollar amount being, you know, wrapped up in your mortgage payment, that dollar amount being in vacations, whatever. Right. Like we need to be able to quantify what we really want. And this goes for small businesses. I want to make $100,000. What does that mean? Do you want is that your net profit? Is that after all, expenses or is that your revenue? And I asked people that question and they’re like, well, I don’t know. Well, you’re going to have to know because you need to know what you want in order to feel secure or feel free. Or again, these are like questions that you just need to feel like that’s the first layer of. Right? Like, do we want revenue or do we want profit? Do we know the difference? Like that’s just the first layer of the onion, right?

Shawn Carlin 01:14:36  Clarity is so.

Katy Ripp 01:14:37  Important.

Katy Ripp 01:14:37  It’s so important. And the more questions we can ask, the two questions that I’m into right now. And if you take nothing else away from this, which I kind of feel like if you don’t take anything else away from.

Katy Ripp 01:14:50  This, we.

Katy Ripp 01:14:50  Should really talk.

Katy Ripp 01:14:53  But I hope there was.

Shawn Carlin 01:14:54  Something good here.

Katy Ripp 01:14:55  One is, is this true? Just is this story is this comment? Is the chatter in my head actually true? And what do you really want? If there was only two things that I could get into with people right now, those are the two things. What are you two things.

Katy Ripp 01:15:16  I’ll.

Shawn Carlin 01:15:16  Just add yours. And I think the idea of if it’s not true, right. In the absence of that belief, what becomes available. Because if you’re absent of this belief that I’m not enough, let’s just use that because that’s, you know, very generic, but I think it’s very common. And fill in the blank, I’m not enough. Whatever. I’m not worthy or I’m not loved, whatever that sort of core limiting belief is, when you find it and you see the lie that’s in that it’s not true, then in the absence of that, what becomes available.

Shawn Carlin 01:15:48  So if you’ve lived this idea that I’m not enough for my entire life and it’s sort of through that filter, it’s limited to me in just about every aspect of things that I’ve done. Then in the absence of that being truly free of that scene, it’s been a lie. Like what’s available to you. Like that’s limitless.

Katy Ripp 01:16:07  Again, it’s so.

Katy Ripp 01:16:08  Hard to wrap your head around that.

Shawn Carlin 01:16:10  It is. But I think that’s where, like, you’re taking a glass, one glass is off and you’re putting on another one, and you’re seeing the world that way for the first time. Yeah. And that, like, is where the power lies and where you can really help people, like, transform into seeing the world in a totally different way. It’s subtle, but it’s so powerful, right?

Katy Ripp 01:16:29  So powerful. And to piggyback off you, right, like, this is just a lovely table tennis game. If somebody else like I can never do that. I could never be a pediatrician, let’s say, whatever it is.

Katy Ripp 01:16:43  Has anybody ever done it? Yes. Of course, like somebody has become a pediatrician. What is holding you back from doing it? What are we limiting ourselves from? Am I not smart enough? I don’t have enough money to go to college. I don’t have enough, enough, enough, enough to do that thing. Take all of that off and just see, just see. I think one of my values is curiosity and just wondering, like, I just want to see what that’ll look like. I just want to see what that feels like. I just want to. I just want to know. I just want to see if I can do it. That’s actually, unfortunately, what got me into the Army.

Katy Ripp 01:17:23  I just want to check it out.

Katy Ripp 01:17:25  No, literally. I just wanted to see if I could complete basic training. Just wanted to see. Well guess what. After 2001, that meant that I also wanted to see Kuwait. That’s a real story. I wanted to see if I could get through basic training.

Katy Ripp 01:17:42  And I got the National Guard.

Katy Ripp 01:17:44  Commercial got me.

Shawn Carlin 01:17:46  That’s a great story. Careful what you wish for, right?

Katy Ripp 01:17:49  Oh for sure.

Katy Ripp 01:17:52  Tell all of these people where they can find you, how they can connect with you if they’d like to, how they could work with you.

Shawn Carlin 01:18:00  Yeah. Great. Look, I’m still in the infancy. You know, if anything connected, you’ll find me at Shawn Carlin five on X. That’s where I’m doing a lot of posting of a lot of these ideas. And I’m happy if anybody wants to want, I’m starting a newsletter. So what weekly newsletter? Just put all these ideas into something with a little bit more consistency and then happy to, if anything resonated and somebody just want some help. I’m happy to do some coaching. I’m not sort of officially in my business, but I am officially into helping anybody who needs some and would love to, you know, share some of my ideas with whoever’s interested. So feel free to reach out through my X account.

Shawn Carlin 01:18:38  You can DM me there and happy to connect.

Katy Ripp 01:18:41  How about how do we get on your newsletter?

Shawn Carlin 01:18:44  That’s on my X account as well. There’s a link in my bio.

Katy Ripp 01:18:47  Okay, which.

Katy Ripp 01:18:48  For those of us that are not on X, it’s the former.

Katy Ripp 01:18:52  Twitter.

Shawn Carlin 01:18:52  Former Twitter. Yes, trying to get in the habit.

Katy Ripp 01:18:55  I know you’re making Elon Musk very proud.

Katy Ripp 01:18:57  I’m there because.

Shawn Carlin 01:18:58  It’s a little bit more for me, as I’m still sort of in my career and sort of just starting to post on ideas. You know, I’ll probably start moving out into more of the more familiar Facebook Instagrams here in probably short order, but for the time being I’ve kind of kept most everything there for now.

Katy Ripp 01:19:15  I love.

Katy Ripp 01:19:15  It. I saw a meme this morning that somebody sent me. It said space X and X are now in Texas and nobody has used the meme. All my exes live in Texas. I had a good chuckle out of that one.

Katy Ripp 01:19:30  If I could go.

Shawn Carlin 01:19:31  Viral on that one out and I credit you somehow.

Katy Ripp 01:19:33  On X, but you can. Yeah you can. Could use some.

Shawn Carlin 01:19:36  Engagement.

Katy Ripp 01:19:36  Really.

Katy Ripp 01:19:38  Shawn, this is so good.

Katy Ripp 01:19:40  It was.

Shawn Carlin 01:19:40  Awesome.

Katy Ripp 01:19:41  Really enjoyed. I love this. We should do this way more often. We should like on a regular basis. We’ve talked about this, but I think now that we’ve, like, broken through.

Shawn Carlin 01:19:50  Yeah, we’re really good at ham and egging together. Just kind of like ping pong and.

Katy Ripp 01:19:54  I love it. I mean.

Katy Ripp 01:19:54  Well, I could have done this all freaking day long. Yeah. All day. I mean, that’s no joke.

Shawn Carlin 01:19:59  No, I know, I know, I could talk about this stuff forever.

Katy Ripp 01:20:01  What is your ideal client? You know, you say you’re in the infancy. I don’t think you’re in the infancy. I think you’re more in the adolescence. But that’s just my opinion. Who would you say is your ideal client?

Katy Ripp 01:20:11  It’s a really.

Shawn Carlin 01:20:12  Good question, I think. You know, everyone wants you to get into the avatar and, like, get really specific and really struggle with that one.

Katy Ripp 01:20:19  Me too. Me too.

Shawn Carlin 01:20:21  My account says executives and entrepreneurs, you know, so I think that’s probably the natural fit for me is to go into, you know, it’s going to be mindset based sort of mind transformation, but in that sort of executive entrepreneur space where I know, again, it’s still pretty broad. But think about I want to help people who are suffering or a mental suffering like that’s that’s a pretty broad. There’s a lot of that going on today.

Katy Ripp 01:20:43  And well.

Katy Ripp 01:20:44  And it will it’s a pretty good job. Security.

Katy Ripp 01:20:47  Yeah.

Katy Ripp 01:20:48  So yeah this was lovely. Thank you so much.

Katy Ripp 01:20:53  Okay. Awesome. Okay. Talk to you soon. Thanks, Shawn.

Katy Ripp 01:20:59  And that’s a wrap on today’s episode. I hope you enjoyed diving deep into the world of living authentically with me. Before you go, don’t forget to connect with me on Instagram. Shoot me a message at Katy Ripp. I’d love to hear your thoughts on today’s episode and connect with you further.

Katy Ripp 01:21:14  And remember, if you want more details on today’s episode or just want to explore more about designing your life unapologetically, head on over to my website at Katy Ripp dot com. There you’ll find all the juicy details and resources you need to keep the inspiration flowing. Lastly, if you’d like to join me on the show, whether it’s to tell about your experience of designing your own life, to share your expertise, or if you’d like to participate in lifestyle coaching live on air, don’t hesitate to reach out. Your story could inspire countless others on their own path to living authentically. Thanks for tuning in. Until next time, keep living boldly designing your life. And remember, #ActuallyICan.